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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    This is the essence of non-judgmental love though. You can say "Hey, I think X is wrong", fair enough. But using things such as government force to compel compliance is completely different. Everything that Jesus had taught essentially comes down to "don't be a dick".
    Jesus also said if your eye causes you to sin cut it off and cast it from you. Better to not see than face hell fire.

    Humans are not expected or required to love without judgment. I can love as does God and still judge something as wrong. Love means more than ignoring bad things.

    No place in the Bible does it ask us to ignore sin. In fact when he did save the adulterous woman he said "go forth and sin no more."
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Jesus also said if your eye causes you to sin cut it off and cast it from you. Better to not see than face hell fire.

    Humans are not expected or required to love without judgment. I can love as does God and still judge something as wrong. Love means more than ignoring bad things.

    No place in the Bible does it ask us to ignore sin. In fact when he did save the adulterous woman he said "go forth and sin no more."
    Also, there is a difference between passing personal judgement on someone ("I hate so-n-so because...") and saying "the bible says that is a sin, and I cannot support sin."

    The latter is not being judgemental, it is standing by what you believe.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I'm not here to defend religion, I'm just saying there is a fundamental difference to the opposiotions of the two separate issues.
    You can't deny that people did use the Bible to oppose interracial marriage. They did that. Other people who opposed interracial marriage were simply ignorant, bigoted and simply uncomfortable or disgusted with the idea for whatever reason, but there were many people who thought it was against God's word and God's will. That isn't my opinion, it's what happened. Just because 40 years later you think their religious arguments against interracial marriage weren't valid does not mean that people didn't believe them and use them as serious arguments.

    And again, the opposition to same-sex marriage is rooted in the same two places in my opinion, religion and ignorance/bigotry. Many people use the Bible to justify their own personal opposition to same-sex marriage, and the other people who oppose it are either deeply uncomfortable or disgusted with the idea for whatever reason or else just blatantly ignoring the research that show same-sex marriage is good for LGBT people, their children, etc., (which is millions of people mind you) with literally no evidence that it has harmful effects on the well-being of non-LGBT people.

    I don't see a fundamental difference in the opposition to those two issues. In fact, I see no difference at all.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Has nothing to do with ignorance. It has more to do with the ability to accept God's word rather than make it what you want it to be.
    In your opinion. I see at understanding God's word.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    In your opinion. I see at understanding God's word.
    In this case, mine is correct according to the written word.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    In this case, mine is correct according to the written word.
    And, in this case, mine is correct because of historical context.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by sweEt Mauritius View Post
    You can't deny that people did use the Bible to oppose interracial marriage. They did that. Other people who opposed interracial marriage were simply ignorant, bigoted and simply uncomfortable or disgusted with the idea for whatever reason, but there were many people who thought it was against God's word and God's will. That isn't my opinion, it's what happened. Just because 40 years later you think their religious arguments against interracial marriage weren't valid does not mean that people didn't believe them and use them as serious arguments.

    And again, the opposition to same-sex marriage is rooted in the same two places in my opinion, religion and ignorance/bigotry. Many people use the Bible to justify their own personal opposition to same-sex marriage, and the other people who oppose it are either deeply uncomfortable or disgusted with the idea for whatever reason or else just blatantly ignoring the research that show same-sex marriage is good for LGBT people, their children, etc., (which is millions of people mind you) with literally no evidence that it has harmful effects on the well-being of non-LGBT people.

    I don't see a fundamental difference in the opposition to those two issues. In fact, I see no difference at all.
    Again, not here to defend religion. The impact of the religious"ness" of interracial marriage is minimized by the fact that the same religions are practiced across racial boundaries. If you look at it from a purely political standpoint, the larger more organized sects had a lot to lose by alienating any one race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And, in this case, mine is correct because of historical context.
    You have made no claim at all. Historical context to what?
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Also, there is a difference between passing personal judgement on someone ("I hate so-n-so because...") and saying "the bible says that is a sin, and I cannot support sin."

    The latter is not being judgemental, it is standing by what you believe.
    Am I judgmental when I know a murderer has committed an evil act? When someone commits and act clearly defined in the bible as a sin, a Christian is not being judgmental for recognizing that sin.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You have made no claim at all. Historical context to what?
    Of course I've made a claim. My claim is that there is a difference between reading God's word and understanding God's word. And without context, words and concepts are meaningless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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