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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    So you've got nothing, and want to try and scare people with the fear of the unknown. You know what else has unforeseen ramifications? Leaving your house, interacting with other people. Just because it has unforeseen ramifications doesn't mean we shouldn't do it.
    That sentiment has served our environment well, hasn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    What I've seen, universally, is that all Christians believe homosexuality is a sin since it IS specifically addressed in the bible.
    I'm a Christian, and I don't think homosexuality is a sin. Please don't paint us all as ignorant.

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    I'm a Christian, and I don't think homosexuality is a sin. Please don't paint us all as ignorant.
    Has nothing to do with ignorance. It has more to do with the ability to accept God's word rather than make it what you want it to be.

    The fact that you would call the majority of Christians ignorant is pretty bad.
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    I also thought your god said something about not judging others and loving others as you would yourself. I mean, we can all pick and choose, but end of the day the main message is that you live by these edicts laid out and god will worry about everything else.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Has nothing to do with ignorance. It has more to do with the ability to accept God's word rather than make it what you want it to be.

    The fact that you would call the majority of Christians ignorant is pretty bad.
    The majority of Christians take the Bible literally.

    Biblical literalism is ignorant.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The majority of Christians take the Bible literally.

    Biblical literalism is ignorant.
    Not unless the majority of Christians are the Phelps family. Fact is they don't. It's like anything else some is literal, some is figurative. Its not that hard to figure out.

    You on the other hand appear to be on the opposite side of the coin. In direct conflict with what the Bible teaches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I also thought your god said something about not judging others and loving others as you would yourself. I mean, we can all pick and choose, but end of the day the main message is that you live by these edicts laid out and god will worry about everything else.
    Ahh we are often accused of "judging" whenever we speak out against any activity we see as sinful. However, that is not the meaning of the verses that state, "Do not judge." There is a righteous kind of judgment we are supposed to exercise with careful consideration. When Jesus told us not to judge, He was telling us not to judge hypocritically. This also has literally nothing to do with loving someone. Unless you think loving someone is accepting something they do is OK even though it means hell.

    At the end of the day it is better to understand the Bible. I understand according to the Bible what Jesus has asked of me. According to it, you and her are wrong.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Not unless the majority of Christians are the Phelps family. Fact is they don't. It's like anything else some is literal, some is figurative. Its not that hard to figure out.

    You on the other hand appear to be on the opposite side of the coin. In direct conflict with what the Bible teaches.
    Most Christians do read the Bible literally, and who decides what should be taken literal, and what shouldn't?

    You have to take the Bible, and try to understand what it says, not what it reads. You must understand the culture of the time, the language in which it was written, and why it was written to understand the Bible. You can't take the English translation literally, otherwise you will severely misinterpret the book. I'm not in direct conflict with what the Bible teaches, people who use the Bible to bash homosexuality are.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This also has literally nothing to do with loving someone. Unless you think loving someone is accepting something they do is OK even though it means hell.
    This is the essence of non-judgmental love though. You can say "Hey, I think X is wrong", fair enough. But using things such as government force to compel compliance is completely different. Everything that Jesus had taught essentially comes down to "don't be a dick".
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Most Christians do read the Bible literally, and who decides what should be taken literal, and what shouldn't?
    No they don't, they tend to take the OT to heart and that is the real problem. Not with literal interpretations.

    It is self explanatory. I mean when a passage says a day for God is like 1000 years to us he was speaking figuratively.

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    You have to take the Bible, and try to understand what it says, not what it reads.
    I know what it says. I also know how it reads.

    In this case it says you are wrong.

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    You must understand the culture of the time, the language in which it was written, and why it was written to understand the Bible.
    It was written in Hebrew and Greek for the most part. With a smidgen in Aramaic. I know about most of the miss translations etc. And yet the message remains the same. Those passages condemning same sex actions are still condemning it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    You can't take the English translation literally, otherwise you will severely misinterpret the book. I'm not in direct conflict with what the Bible teaches, people who use the Bible to bash homosexuality are.
    No you will not. Most of the miss translations are so few and so minor it changes little. Homosexuality is wrong according to any translation.
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