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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Meg13 View Post
    Marriage has always been a religious way to unite a couple for life and so that they can have children.
    Marriage, as a term, existed long before the Bible. Just puttin' that out there.

    I think a lot of people consider "marriage" the invention of Christians. It's not. It was used long before such things as Christians existed.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You seem to be doing the same thing with this issue that you do with sexual orientation. Looking at ONE side of the issue only, when, to examine it logically, you must look at BOTH. Any social change will have both negative and positive outcomes. You are condemning something by ONLY looking at the negatives without considering the positives. Woman's lib has had plenty of positive outcomes. Same with the civil rights movement of the '50's and 60's. And GM would do the same. What one must look at is a cost-benefit analysis, both from a quantitative, but more importantly, from a qualitative standpoint. The information that I posted demonstrates the benefits to society and, both qualitatively and quantitatively, it overshadows the negatives.

    Other than an infdividual's personal morality or dislike of homosexuality/GM, what do you think would be negative consequences of legalizing GM?
    Though I haven't read all your studies completely I can tell you that whether or not homosexuals can be good parents or not was never in question. It may be a concern for others who oppose gay marriage, not for me. Second, I am looking at it logicaly...the potential negative impacts concern me. One of the largest concerns are the ones that homosexuals have no control over and that's the reaction of those that will do violence. The level of which can not be estimated. Though you and many equate it interracial marraige, interracial marriage wasn't a religious issue. Homosexual marriage directly opposes fundamental religious belief (pretty much all of them). The potential reaction scares me, and I'm not sure it's something our society can handle.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    Marriage, as a term, existed long before the Bible. Just puttin' that out there.

    I think a lot of people consider "marriage" the invention of Christians. It's not. It was used long before such things as Christians existed.
    In some form or other, maybe, but as you've pointed out, where is the proof? Some think marriage and monogamy was an invention of the catholic church put in place as a means of control.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Though I haven't read all your studies completely I can tell you that whether or not homosexuals can be good parents or not was never in question. It may be a concern for others who oppose gay marriage, not for me. Second, I am looking at it logicaly...the potential negative impacts concern me. One of the largest concerns are the ones that homosexuals have no control over and that's the reaction of those that will do violence. The level of which can not be estimated. Though you and many equate it interracial marraige, interracial marriage wasn't a religious issue. Homosexual marriage directly opposes fundamental religious belief (pretty much all of them). The potential reaction scares me, and I'm not sure it's something our society can handle.
    What kuida of violence do you mean? Do you think peole will riot in the streets?

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What kuida of violence do you mean? Do you think peole will riot in the streets?

    who knows? Possibly. Such has happened for less...the point really is no one knows what the negative impacts are until they've been happening for about 20 to 30 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    who knows? Possibly. Such has happened for less...the point really is no one knows what the negative impacts are until they've been happening for about 20 to 30 years.
    So you want to punish LGBT people for other people's intolerance?

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

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    So you want to punish LGBT people for other people's intolerance?
    That's not what I am saying at all.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    That's not what I am saying at all.
    Then what are you saying?

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    who knows? Possibly. Such has happened for less...the point really is no one knows what the negative impacts are until they've been happening for about 20 to 30 years.
    Gays have been around since the beginnings of humankind. They have been forming relationships since then. Considering that they have been here forever and will continue to be here for as humankind will be around I see no reason for them not to get married to their same sex partners and form more stable relationships.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Though you and many equate it interracial marraige, interracial marriage wasn't a religious issue.
    It seems illogical today that interracial marriage was a religious issue, but the fact is that it WAS a religious issue to many of those that opposed it. Which is yet another reason why the interracial marriage analogy is so accurate. I posted it before but I'll post it again since it's been buried by an additional 40 pages in this discussion:

    Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.
    That was the reasoning that a judge used in Loving v. Virginia to uphold anti-miscegenation laws. It seems silly now that people opposed interracial marriage for religious reasons, but that was the truth (in addition to opposing it because they were uncomfortable with/repulsed by the idea, I would imagine, which falls under the "it's not natural" argument), and that was only 40 years ago! And it's astonishing how almost identical reasons are being used to oppose same-sex marriage. I would bet that in 40 years, the "marriage is to unite the unique, special halves of humanity, man and woman" arguments against same-sex marriage, which are similarly based in religion and ignorance whether people want to admit it or not, will sound as silly as the "God put the races on separate continents for a reason" arguments against interracial marriage seem now.

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