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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    Well, if we can't justify restraining their freedom on the basis of societal good or other people's individual liberties, we can't keep that door closed.

    The reality is that right now our society would suffer greatly from legalization of polygamy.

    If that situation changes, so too will the results of the question itself.

    When and if polygamy is no longer a significant degradation of our society or someone else's individual rights, it shouldn't be prohibited.

    We're not remotely close to that today though. I think the argument can safely be made that it would cause a significant issue in our culture, and therefore - for right now at least (and maybe forever) - it should remain illegal.



    Pedophilia infringes on other people's individual rights. It's also destructive for our society.



    I also sympathize with people that harm no one else, but simply share a different world view than the mainstream of society.

    I think that this is one of many cases where as long as it's done somewhat beneath the pale, we tend to turn a blind eye to it. Adultery is another example. When was the last time you actually saw someone prosecuted for adultery?

    I think that usually, unless someone is causing a significant problem because of it, it gets ignored by our moral and legal system.

    That's probably not ideal, but it works okay for the most-part.



    Now this would be an interesting conversation.

    In what way does someone's private sexuality infringe on anyone else's rights?
    If we were talking about private sexuality, it would have no impact. We are talking about very public sexuality.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    Pedophilia infringes on other people's individual rights. It's also destructive to society
    Of course your right. My point is if we can redefine marriage, we can redefine pedophilia as well as anything else. Why would anyone want to? For the same reasons they want to redefine marriage...for their own benefit.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    If we were talking about private sexuality, it would have no impact. We are talking about very public sexuality.
    Gays can already hold hands and kiss each other.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Of course your right. My point is if we can redefine marriage, we can redefine pedophilia as well as anything else. Why would anyone want to? For the same reasons they want to redefine marriage...for their own benefit.
    Technically, pedophilia is the attraction to pre-pubescent children.

    BTW, we have redenfined statuatory rape laws. Jerry Lee Lewis couldn't marry his thirteen year old cousin today.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Gays can already hold hands and kiss each other.
    Once homosexuality becomes accepted by the state and federal governments then it will be taught in civics classes to children of parents who will take great offense to having their children taught morality by public school teachers which is in direct opposition to their own personal beliefs. These teachers will then utilize (as they already do in some places) the separation of church and state to defend their rights to do so. This is but one of the many problems I see arising. It's a little more complicated than a couple of guys holding hands.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Technically, pedophilia is the attraction to pre-pubescent children.

    BTW, we have redenfined statuatory rape laws. Jerry Lee Lewis couldn't marry his thirteen year old cousin today.
    I beleive in some states it's legal for a 13 year old to marry with parental consent. I'm trying to temember which states..Maryland...West Viriginia?

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Once homosexuality becomes accepted by the state and federal governments then it will be taught in civics classes to children of parents who will take great offense to having their children taught morality by public school teachers which is in direct opposition to their own personal beliefs. These teachers will then utilize (as they already do in some places) the separation of church and state to defend their rights to do so. This is but one of the many problems I see arising. It's a little more complicated than a couple of guys holding hands.
    You are afraid that a civics class is going to make your kids gay? Isn't that the fear of teaching that the government doesn't discriminate against homosexuals? You can teach your kid to discriminate on your own dime. Don't expect the taxpayers to do it. If it the law, it will be taught. The law won't say, "Hey kids, it's acceptable to be gay. Give it a try."
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I beleive in some states it's legal for a 13 year old to marry with parental consent. I'm trying to temember which states..Maryland...West Viriginia?
    Exactly, it changes from state to state. Language evolves. Definitions change.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I can give arguements of actual complications and why it could be reasonable to assume that more than a few people might try to defraud the government when dealing with polygamy. I would not automatically be against it, but there is a reasonable, quantifiable purpose in weighing the benefits to the problems that would come with polygamy. It is easy to say that every marriage should automatically be allowed, but we must be realistic. Some restrictions are necessary to protect people and/or ensure that the government does not take on more than it should. Anti-SSM would need a similar argument as to why there would be more complications from a homosexual marriage than from a heterosexual one just due to the sexuality difference.

    Ah, I see. It's okay for gov't to restrict access to marriage as long as it does so by criteria that you approve of. Got it.

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