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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Despite your condescending tone, you have not proven any physiological or genetic link to homosexuality. Come back and post when you can do that, mkay?
    My intent was not to be condescending. It was meant to be hyperbolic and entertaining. It wasn't meant as offense, it was meant to lighten some of the mood.

    You've communicated clearly and rationally with me, so I felt a kinship and tossed in some humor. Perhaps I didn't express that very well.

    And no, I have not personally proven any physiological link. You have not disproven it either, nor will you be able to.

    That leaves us both in about the same boat. I've chosen to take the word of trusted academic and scientific institutions on the matter. You've chosen not to do so. I understand and that's fine. That's your right. We simply chose differently.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    When I notice comments as I mentioned, an agenda is obvious. It becomes pretty irrelevant to continue on. Your comment did NOT respond to what I said. Perhaps you should read it again.

    No, you did not. I mentioned zero about choice. That was the gist of your response. Completely uncoordinated with my comment. Your partisan statement also demonstrated that you were addressing what you want to hear, not what was said.



    If not, then the "liberal" statement would not have occurred. "If it walks like a duck..."



    My comment stands. You have no evidence that homosexual act are unnatural or unsavory, other than your own opinion that they are unnatural or unsavory. These are logical fallacies that you cannot prove.


    And I have read scores and scores of studies, have posted results of many of these studies here at DP, and have looked into studies on homosexuality going back to Freud. You claim to be informed on the issue, but if that were the case, your use of adjectives would not be as they were. Also, if you were informed, you would have read that researchers have stated that they are unsure precisely where sexual orientation is developed. Notice, I used the words sexual orientation. If you were as informed as you claim, you would know that the issue really isn't about homosexuality when the discussion of the development of sexual orientation is presented, but it is of sexual orientation in general. Also, if you were as uninformed as you claim, you would know that most researchers postulate that sexual orientation develops from a combination of the following components: biology, genetics, brain/hormonal chemistry, environment.

    I hope that has informed you a bit more.
    Cite one peer reviewed study that conclusively proves a physiological and/or genetic explanation for homosexuality.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Cite one peer reviewed study that conclusively proves a physiological and/or genetic explanation for homosexuality.
    Cite one that disproves it.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Cite one peer reviewed study that conclusively proves a physiological and/or genetic explanation for homosexuality.
    Cite where I made the claim that homosexuality or sexual orientation in general was conclusively physiological or genetic.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    My intent was not to be condescending. It was meant to be hyperbolic and entertaining. It wasn't meant as offense, it was meant to lighten some of the mood.

    You've communicated clearly and rationally with me, so I felt a kinship and tossed in some humor. Perhaps I didn't express that very well.

    And no, I have not personally proven any physiological link. You have not disproven it either, nor will you be able to.

    That leaves us both in about the same boat. I've chosen to take the word of trusted academic and scientific institutions on the matter. You've chosen not to do so. I understand and that's fine. That's your right. We simply chose differently.
    Well, I believe your interpretation of what the academic and scientific community have said has been greatly filtered by your own personal bias. None have concluded a proven link between homosexuality and genetics.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Cite where I made the claim that homosexuality or sexual orientation in general was conclusively physiological or genetic.
    Then you can not prove that it is not a choice.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    Cite one that disproves it.


    Now you are using the same argument that Christians use to prove the existence of God.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Then you can not prove that it is not a choice.
    I'm still waiting for you to quote where I made this claim. This is what I mean about responding to something you wanted to hear, rather than something that was said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Well, I believe your interpretation of what the academic and scientific community have said has been greatly filtered by your own personal bias. None have concluded a proven link between homosexuality and genetics.
    You're free to believe what you'd like to believe.

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    Now you are using the same argument that Christians use to prove the existence of God.
    Not really.

    It was a contradiction of your own assertion.

    Meaning, fundamentally, you used the same argument that Christians use to prove the existance of God. I'm guilty of mimicking it to convey a point.

    A point which you made for me, thank you very much.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Well, I believe your interpretation of what the academic and scientific community have said has been greatly filtered by your own personal bias. None have concluded a proven link between homosexuality and genetics.
    You do understand that there is no proven link between sexual orientation and genetics. Heterosexuality is included in this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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