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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I think you're missing the point. The main argument against homosexuality is that it is not a genetic trait or that it is a choice, and therefore, it cannot be considered to have the same discrimination protection as race. This is the big argument when anyone on my side brings up interracial marriage. And I pointed out that the logic is wrong when saying that only things that aren't a person's choice are protected against discrimination. A person's religion is protected against discriminination and it is definitely a choice.

    Also, most of the opposition is in fact due to religion. There are a lot of religious people in this country. However, most polls show that there is not a large gap in the difference of those who support gay marriage and those who don't, especially if you were to factor in those willing to give them the same rights, while calling it something else. The general gap between pro-gm and anti-gm is within 10%, or about 54% against, 46% for, and about a 2% don't care/don't know/undecided. The support for gay marriage is actually growing.
    Being protected against discrimination doesn't allow additional rights. Homosexuals receive the same protections as Christians or Muslims in America.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I think you're missing the point. The main argument against homosexuality is that it is not a genetic trait or that it is a choice, and therefore, it cannot be considered to have the same discrimination protection as race. This is the big argument when anyone on my side brings up interracial marriage. And I pointed out that the logic is wrong when saying that only things that aren't a person's choice are protected against discrimination. A person's religion is protected against discriminination and it is definitely a choice.

    Also, most of the opposition is in fact due to religion. There are a lot of religious people in this country. However, most polls show that there is not a large gap in the difference of those who support gay marriage and those who don't, especially if you were to factor in those willing to give them the same rights, while calling it something else. The general gap between pro-gm and anti-gm is within 10%, or about 54% against, 46% for, and about a 2% don't care/don't know/undecided. The support for gay marriage is actually growing.
    I'm not missing the point, homosexuality is a choice and doesn't deserve extra rights any more so than choosing any other unnatural or unsavory behavior does. My opposition has nothing to do with religion, and even if it did, religious beliefs are just as valid a reason to be for or against something as anything else is. The fact of the matter is, the majority of Americans are against it. Why they are against it is their own business. Lastly, a persons sexual preference is as well protected against discrimination as a persons religious preference is.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

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    American society sets it's own standards and laws. At present, American society has overwhelming stated, time and time again, that it doesn't and won't recognize gay "marriage". Simply put, there need not be any other reason than that.
    See, I actually agree with you. Currently, the American society has overwhelmingly stated that it will not recognize gay marriage. Though research shows that this is an uninformed position, from a scientific standpoint, it is still up to the American people to decide this, regardless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I'm not missing the point, homosexuality is a choice and doesn't deserve extra rights any more so than choosing any other unnatural or unsavory behavior does.
    I stopped reading after this comment. When I see statements like this, I understand that I am listening to someone who has no intention of hearing facts nor someone who has much understanding on this issue.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I stopped reading after this comment. When I see statements like this, I understand that I am listening to someone who has no intention of hearing facts nor someone who has much understanding on this issue.
    This is the fundamental flaw of the liberal. Having a differing opinion means I am ignorant, correct? There have been studies that indicate that homosexuality may be a choice, and there have been studies that say it is a choice. There have been no conclusive studies that prove homosexuality is not a choice. At present, you are no more informed about that issue than is anyone else.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    This is the fundamental flaw of the liberal. Having a differing opinion means I am ignorant, correct? There have been studies that indicate that homosexuality may be a choice, and there have been studies that say it is a choice. There have been no conclusive studies that prove homosexuality is not a choice. At present, you are no more informed about that issue than is anyone else.
    And you have just identified the fundamental flaws of conservatives like you:
    1) Inability to listen.
    2) Responding to what they want someone to have said, rather than what they really said.
    3) When disagreed with, rather than actually debating the issue, go right for the partisan hackery.

    I am far more informed about the topic than you. You demonstrate that when you use words like unnatural or unsavory to describe homosexuality.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    This is the fundamental flaw of the liberal. Having a differing opinion means I am ignorant, correct? There have been studies that indicate that homosexuality may be a choice, and there have been studies that say it is a choice. There have been no conclusive studies that prove homosexuality is not a choice. At present, you are no more informed about that issue than is anyone else.
    That's not entirely true.

    The studies that have been conducted scientifically, with like... Actual doctors, and credible methods, without cherry picking the candidates or the numbers... Tends to show that it is indeed something physiological.

    Yeah, there have been a ton of studies done on the matter, and yeah, they have findings that directly contradict one another. The sad reality is that not all studies people cite are actually worthy of citation.

    It's unfortunate that people engage in intellectual dishonesty, but that's what happens, and it only serves to muddy the waters and hold our society back from progression towards a better culture.

    That's not to say I think it's all one-sided, or that I'm even positive what the correct stance on the matter is. I'm just saying that the waters are very muddy because of the dishonesty - making it very difficult for those of us that do want to decide what is and isn't best for our society to figure out how to do so.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And you have just identified the fundamental flaws of conservatives like you:
    1) Inability to listen.
    2) Responding to what they want someone to have said, rather than what they really said.
    3) When disagreed with, rather than actually debating the issue, go right for the partisan hackery.

    I am far more informed about the topic than you. You demonstrate that when you use words like unnatural or unsavory to describe homosexuality.
    It was you that implied an inability to listen when you said "I stopped reading after.."
    I responded to what you did say, not what I wanted you to say. I did make an assumption however.
    I am not a conservative in general, though I agree I may be considered so on this issue...and some others.

    Lastly, I didn't refer to homosexuality as unnatural or unsavory. I refereed to disagreeing with it as I do to other acts which are unnatural or unsavory. It is you that jumped to conclusions. My thesis was a comparative study of over 50 studies of homosexuality completed within the last 120 years. It was not a study of homosexuality itself but rather an analysis of the results of other studies. There was not one study that conclusively stated that homosexuality is not a choice. I am, Sir, relatively informed on the issue.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    This is the fundamental flaw of the liberal. Having a differing opinion means I am ignorant, correct? There have been studies that indicate that homosexuality may be a choice, and there have been studies that say it is a choice. There have been no conclusive studies that prove homosexuality is not a choice. At present, you are no more informed about that issue than is anyone else.
    i suggest you read further than research which upholds your views.

    Evidence for maternally inherited factors favouring male homosexuality and promoting female fecundity.

    ScienceDirect - Hormones and Behavior : Fraternal Birth Order and the Maternal Immune Hypothesis of Male Homosexuality

    SpringerLink - Journal Article
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    That's not entirely true.

    The studies that have been conducted scientifically, with like... Actual doctors, and credible methods, without cherry picking the candidates or the numbers... Tends to show that it is indeed something physiological.

    Yeah, there have been a ton of studies done on the matter, and yeah, they have findings that directly contradict one another. The sad reality is that not all studies people cite are actually worthy of citation.

    It's unfortunate that people engage in intellectual dishonesty, but that's what happens, and it only serves to muddy the waters and hold our society back from progression towards a better culture.

    That's not to say I think it's all one-sided, or that I'm even positive what the correct stance on the matter is. I'm just saying that the waters are very muddy because of the dishonesty - making it very difficult for those of us that do want to decide what is and isn't best for our society to figure out how to do so.
    I agree to an extent. I have never accepted any study sponsored by a religious organization, for instance, as I know it to be highly biased. I would like a source for your assertion that there was a study concluding that homosexuality is physiological. I would like to read that study.

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