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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And you are claiming to not be blinded by your faith, yet you seem to completely accept that what men decided should be put into the Bible (the books of the apostles and those close to them were essentially condensed into the Bible using 4 criteria: 1) Was the author an apostle or have a close connection with an apostle? 2) Is the book being accepted by the body of Christ at large? 3) Did the book contain consistency of doctrine and orthodox teaching? 4) Did the book bear evidence of high moral and spiritual values that would reflect a work of the Holy Spirit?), without accepting that they could be wrong.
    Yes I have desided after years of study and work that God and what is laid down in the Bible is the true path to salvation. This has nothing at all to do with being "blinded by faith."

    I looked at the evidence and came to a conclusion.

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    As I've pointed out, there are so relatively few passages that actually condemn homosexuality. And those are in the same 2 or 3 books. There really is no consensus of belief that God himself believed homosexuality to be a sin, not as evidenced by the Bible. It is much easier to believe that perhaps that particular "sin" really was a popular personal bias held at the time, that got it's consensus not from the writings of the apostles but rather from the group of men who decided the makeup of the Bible. Those men found a couple of passages that agreed with their own bias, and obscure references, such as Sodom, to make them believe that God felt that homosexuality was wrong.
    Quite a few passages condemn it and since it is pretty black and white, why would they need to beat people over the head with it?

    I mean you are trying to tell someone who spent many years studying the Bible and it’s history that I don’t know what I am talking about because the possibility exists that it mite be off in some way. This from someone who admittedly has not really cracked open the Bible since childhood? No offence Nuke, but I will go by my own understanding on this.

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    It may be interesting to learn whether or not there were other things that the original collectors for the Bible decided to omit from the Bible and the reasons why. That could help to better inform us as to whether their own personal biases did influence what was put into the Bible.
    The majority of the so called “lost books” are not lost at all. They are available with a simple internet search. Some books were lost and then with the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls were no longer lost.

    So if you want to read them go ahead. Most are as I said available. They are not hidden away and they were not destroyed.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes I have desided after years of study and work that God and what is laid down in the Bible is the true path to salvation. This has nothing at all to do with being "blinded by faith."

    I looked at the evidence and came to a conclusion.



    Quite a few passages condemn it and since it is pretty black and white, why would they need to beat people over the head with it?

    I mean you are trying to tell someone who spent many years studying the Bible and it’s history that I don’t know what I am talking about because the possibility exists that it mite be off in some way. This from someone who admittedly has not really cracked open the Bible since childhood? No offence Nuke, but I will go by my own understanding on this.



    The majority of the so called “lost books” are not lost at all. They are available with a simple internet search. Some books were lost and then with the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls were no longer lost.

    So if you want to read them go ahead. Most are as I said available. They are not hidden away and they were not destroyed.
    Actually, I have never said that I haven't cracked open a Bible since childhood. In fact, I just recently discovered the whole Sodom thing within the last few months because of reading my Bible. I haven't been a Christian since childhood.

    And I was not suggesting that all the texts that were used when considering what to put into the Bible were locked away somewhere, but it also doesn't mean that there weren't more texts that are locked away or even many more that were lost during time. And still all the texts were written by man, and therefore all those texts are completely subject to being written with personal biased. And the decisions and reasons why some texts were not put into the Bible are not really going to be completely available, unless there are complete transcripts from those meetings used to decide what would go into the Bible itself. The actual thinking of the people involved is certainly not going to be available, so it is impossible for us to truly know if they believed that the research proved that something belonged or if it were simply the passages agreed with what they considered immoral. And as much as you really don't want to hear it, it is possible that they changed things to make sure that it matched their own beliefs/morals. Even the original writers of those texts are capable of having done this. It is completely possible that not everyone was quite as benevolent as the Bible portrays them. Even those who really were that benevolent could have put more of their own bias into what they wrote then what God wanted.

    I do doubt the Bible, big time. I completely believe there is a God, but since all evidence I've seen points to homosexuality not being an actual conscience choice and the fact that it really does no harm to anyone else, and it is observed in other species in nature, it makes absolutely no sense to me why such a higher power like God would truly care one way or another if people choose to love and make love to another person of the same sex. I can't fathom why it would be so important to be a sin. And that makes me question that part of the Bible. (I do question much of the other parts too, but I have different reasons for those questions/suspicions)
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I do doubt the Bible, big time. I completely believe there is a God, but since all evidence I've seen points to homosexuality not being an actual conscience choice and the fact that it really does no harm to anyone else, and it is observed in other species in nature, it makes absolutely no sense to me why such a higher power like God would truly care one way or another if people choose to love and make love to another person of the same sex. I can't fathom why it would be so important to be a sin. And that makes me question that part of the Bible. (I do question much of the other parts too, but I have different reasons for those questions/suspicions)
    I do doubt the Bible, big time.” That comment pretty much negates anything you said in the first two paragraphs in that I don’t. So the rest is not really a concern to me. You are free as is everyone to believe what you like, and that’s cool. Just don’t expect me to agree.

    Jesus supports the statement in Genesis that in the beginning God created humankind male and female, and uses this as a basis for moral guidance: That which God has joined let not man put asunder. He was talking about man and woman. Nothing else.

    In the Sermon on the Mount, he stresses the importance of the Jews adhering strictly to the Mosaic Law, which required the death penalty for homosexual acts. He even went beyond that in condemning what he regards as sexual sins. Telling people even thinking about it was a sin and that it is better to cut of a limb than face hellfire.

    I can’t fathom myself how someone who is a Christian can ignore the OT and the NT when it comes down to it.

    So it appears Jesus himself cared quite a bit about morality whether it hurt someone or not. Heck adultery and divorce does not hurt anyone. Lets not forget that whole having no other gods before me thing. I mean really. Lot’s of sin technically don’t hurt anyone. This is not an excuse to condone it or figure we know better than God on the issue.

    In the end it is better to pluck your eye out then let it cause you to sin. That is the words of Jesus, not me.
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    fyi Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    The first question you should ask, "Is it any of my business?"

    The second question is, "Do I have a dog in the fight?"

    Since I am not gay, I have essentially no interest in it.

    If you don't happen to like gays, don't associate with them.

    If you are a religious type and think gays are going to Hell if they don't "straighten" out, minister to them, but do it in a kind way.

    Unless the gays are abusing other people (raping, molesting, etc.) the law should have nothing to do with it.

    By the way, if you really want to do something about gay abuse, see what you can do about the rapes and molestations that occur on a regular basis in our prisons.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    The first question you should ask, "Is it any of my business?"

    The second question is, "Do I have a dog in the fight?"
    Marriage is everyone's business, and since families are the foundation of civilization, we all have a dog in this fight.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Marriage is everyone's business, and since families are the foundation of civilization, we all have a dog in this fight.
    I have to disagree. This will not have an effect on current marriages. If it did, then we would all have a dog in this fight.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Marriage is everyone's business, and since families are the foundation of civilization, we all have a dog in this fight.
    WHAT!?
    I couldnt possibly disagree more, IMO theres no logic to defend that at all. Your marriage is absolutely NONE OF MY BUSINESS and mine is none of yours.

    The only dog in the fight is my own dog in my own marriage my dog has no buisness in your yard and vice versa.

    Also to the two lonely oppressors on this board that thanked you for your post, it seems its a bit of a contradiction to me. Since you would obviously disagree with the term "everyone" dont you mean everyone BUT gays

    anyway sorry, we'll just have to agree to disagree with this because theres no logic to make me believe that your marriage is "my" business, thats not american at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I have to disagree. This will not have an effect on current marriages. If it did, then we would all have a dog in this fight.
    It will have an effect on the society that we all must live in. The core of the issue here is what we, as a society, are willing to accept as normal.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    It will have an effect on the society that we all must live in. The core of the issue here is what we, as a society, are willing to accept as normal.
    You kinda dodge around this, so let me ask strait out: based on this, are you saying you oppose gay marriage?
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    It will have an effect on the society that we all must live in. The core of the issue here is what we, as a society, are willing to accept as normal.
    and what effect will that be?

    since they can do everything else, they can still live together, raise kids, go anywhere you go, show affection in public, work where you do,
    what will change? how will gay marriage effect normal in the world we live in on any large scale that has a reality impact?
    and how is currently discriminating against them "normal" it could easily be argued abnormal to discriminate against since we are denying them equal rights
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