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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You're asking questions that are above my pay grade, Redress. I just follow the manual.
    You do start to see the problem. My mother is pretty religious, and makes a good point on all this. Let my quote her:

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    No, the dietary restrictions were removed, in Acts 10.
    The whole thing sounds like one heck of a mushroom trip to me; Acts 10 and the story.

    But anyhows your religion really does not mean diddly squat to me until you try to impose it on me via the state. And I see no lifting of the dietary laws in Acts 10.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You do start to see the problem. My mother is pretty religious, and makes a good point on all this. Let my quote her:
    Your mom is very wise.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The whole thing sounds like one heck of a mushroom trip to me; Acts 10 and the story.

    But anyhows your religion really does not mean diddly squat to me until you try to impose it on me via the state. And I see no lifting of the dietary laws in Acts 10.

    My bad, I meant Acts 11.

    There's also Acts 15 and 21, where Gentile believers were determined by the Apostles to not be subject to the finer points of OT Law.

    I'm not trying to impose on anyone. I've been explaining why I am not permitted to support SSM.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You do start to see the problem. My mother is pretty religious, and makes a good point on all this. Let my quote her:

    I agree with your mom, and I am using mine. My brain tells me that the most simple and straightforward interpretation is the most likely, and appears to have the most support from other scripture (1st principle of Hermaneutics); and that the alternative interpretation is a very convoluted and improbable construction that appears to have been thought up in an effort to justify a position that the Bible does not appear to support, based on notions about ancient practices that are not supported by recent anthropological/historical experts.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    If I expected all law in America, or even most of it, to be based on my interpretations of the Bible I'd be continually disappointed. Fortunately I don't.

    Instead I was explaining why I am unable to support gay marriage. That is a personal choice. Last time I checked, I'm allowed to make personal choices in America, based on whatever beliefs I hold to, be they political, religious, philosophical or dipped in fish sauce.
    You sure would be disappointed and thankfully its the way it is.
    Also nobody is arguing against your personal choice so no need to try and defend that part, nor does anybody want you forced to "support" anything. People are arguing that's its discrimination and I haven't seen anything provide in this thread that would disprove that or would make your religious beliefs relevant in the debate at hand. I respect your choice and freedom of religion and its beliefs but it has no place in the marriage laws and is a piss poor excuse to discriminate against fellow americans. Lucky you have your freedom of that choice and I want the same for others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    You sure would be disappointed and thankfully its the way it is.
    Also nobody is arguing against your personal choice so no need to try and defend that part, nor does anybody want you forced to "support" anything. People are arguing that's its discrimination and I haven't seen anything provide in this thread that would disprove that or would make your religious beliefs relevant in the debate at hand. I respect your choice and freedom of religion and its beliefs but it has no place in the marriage laws and is a piss poor excuse to discriminate against fellow americans. Lucky you have your freedom of that choice and I want the same for others.
    Well oddly enough, lots of people do seem to have a problem with my position: that I am unable to support SSM because of personal religious convictions. People try to tell me I can't hold that position, or act like they're royally pissed at me over it. They insist on further explanations, I give them and then I'm told it's irrelevant because it has to do with the Bible. It isn't irrelevant to me, because I try to live my life by it. Maybe it is irrelevant to US law, but a lot of Americans self-identify as Christians and I presume a lot of them vote.

    Whatever, it will be what it will be and I'm done talking about it. This is like fighting a school of pirhana.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Well oddly enough, lots of people do seem to have a problem with my position: that I am unable to support SSM because of personal religious convictions. People try to tell me I can't hold that position, or act like they're royally pissed at me over it. They insist on further explanations, I give them and then I'm told it's irrelevant because it has to do with the Bible. It isn't irrelevant to me, because I try to live my life by it. Maybe it is irrelevant to US law, but a lot of Americans self-identify as Christians and I presume a lot of them vote.

    Whatever, it will be what it will be and I'm done talking about it. This is like fighting a school of pirhana.
    Well for me, not a problem with your position but a problem if you stop others from marrying.
    You could still live your life has you see fit, gays marrying would have no effect on that.

    Trust me I know, I have admitted before I at want time was very much anti-gay, thought it was wrong on every level. I am still not exactly a gay "fan" But I realized the error of my ways. Once i woke up and pulled my head out my ass I realized how wrong I was in general and in America and what it stands for. To force my morals on others in this case is discrimination. I wasn't like this with every issue but mainly with gays. I now realize that its none of my business and it has no effect on my what so ever, I was totally wrong for the thoughts I had and I couldn't be happier I woke up. Actually being half black I can't believe I ever had those views, it was so ignorant and hypocritical but now I know better. It actually makes me sad, I'm ashamed and find it embarrassing now that I was so blind during that time but I was young and chose to ignore reality in some cases. I could never bring myself to discriminate in that fashion and I never will again, America has no room for such behavior and is working slowly but surely to end such blemishes on our society.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I agree with your mom, and I am using mine. My brain tells me that the most simple and straightforward interpretation is the most likely, and appears to have the most support from other scripture (1st principle of Hermaneutics); and that the alternative interpretation is a very convoluted and improbable construction that appears to have been thought up in an effort to justify a position that the Bible does not appear to support, based on notions about ancient practices that are not supported by recent anthropological/historical experts.
    As am I, yet we reach two different conclusions. To me homosexuality isn't a sin, and just another variation in Gods creation.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You're asking questions that are above my pay grade, Redress. I just follow the manual.
    You couldn't be a nuke then. We were required to question things, even the manuals, if it went against our training or basic reactor knowledge and/or we believed that it could do harm, to the reactor or personnel. The manual can be wrong. Even the smartest people can make a mistake. After all, we're only human. Just like those who wrote the manual(s).
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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