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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    I didn't say its irrelevant in general OR to me so don't put words in my mouth because it is relevant to me. But in this debate it is irrelevant since we are talking about America and American laws, equal rights and not discriminating. Unless of course you feel all our laws should be based on your interpretations of the bible and that in itself is also wrong. Of course you have a right to feel that way but thankfully that's not what America is about.
    If I expected all law in America, or even most of it, to be based on my interpretations of the Bible I'd be continually disappointed. Fortunately I don't.

    Instead I was explaining why I am unable to support gay marriage. That is a personal choice. Last time I checked, I'm allowed to make personal choices in America, based on whatever beliefs I hold to, be they political, religious, philosophical or dipped in fish sauce.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Does the Bible ever say why it is wrong?
    Well eating lobster is a sin.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Why a Harley the Japanese even after tutoring Harley on how to build a motorcycle that doesn't leak oil still build a more versatile bike.

    Actually I prefer BMW bikes, they are far more mechanically reliable.... but try telling that to a Harley man.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Well eating lobster is a sin.
    No, the dietary restrictions were removed, in Acts 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    And you're favoring the one YOU would rather see as correct, are you not?

    Redress, I am seeing the most direct and straightforward interpretation, the one with the most support from other scriptural sources, and therefore the most likely correct one.

    The other viewpoint involves making three laps around cultural relativism and closing your eyes and ignoring several points of scripture that say something you don't like.

    One interpretation is direct, literal, historical, grammatical and if charted would look like a straight arrow.

    The other is convoluted and contrived and if flow-charted would look like an M.C. Escher painting.

    I'll stick with the straightforward interpretation. It makes much more sense.
    Actually, I am not favoring any interpretation. I am simply pointing out that you choose the interpretation that says what you want it to. If you could hear how your arguments sound to some one on the outside, you would be amazed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Actually, I am not favoring any interpretation. I am simply pointing out that you choose the interpretation that says what you want it to. If you could hear how your arguments sound to some one on the outside, you would be amazed.
    You're assuming I want to view homosexuality as a sin. Being the wet blanket buzz-killington that insists that it is so is no fun, let me tell you. If I thought there was a honest and legitimate way to explain it away I'd be glad to change my views. Unfortunately the convoluted crap that has been presented so far doesn't even come close to qualifying.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The interpretation of arsenokoites as "homosexual" has been standard for around 2000 years. If you can show that the 1st Century church did not interpret it as such, please post proof based on writings from the first century AD.
    It doesn't refer to homosexuals until 400 years after it was written.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Tell you what folks, we'll have a little contest.

    We will each start with a pile of motorcycle parts and a manual entitled "How to build a Harley Electroglide."

    I will interpret the manual as meaning exactly what it says.

    You will interpret the manual as not meaning what it says, but instead referring to some historical practices that are no longer relevant.


    First person to build a working motorcycle wins.
    Does not work Goshin. Maybe if the manual was an interpretation of several people, each bringing their own views into play, then written in a foreign language, then interpreted 200 years later when we are not even certain what some of the words mean, and we each have different interpretations, then we can try it. I bet we both have real troubles, and neither of us can build the motorcycle.

    What makes me wonder is what exact reason would a omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being have for worrying about the sex of a person some one chooses to sleep with. It made sense at one time, but certainly not at this time. Why would god make people who, if they follow his word, would feel like **** all their lives? Is god that casually cruel to people?
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    It doesn't refer to homosexuals until 400 years after it was written.
    Provide proof, based on credible sources.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Does not work Goshin. Maybe if the manual was an interpretation of several people, each bringing their own views into play, then written in a foreign language, then interpreted 200 years later when we are not even certain what some of the words mean, and we each have different interpretations, then we can try it. I bet we both have real troubles, and neither of us can build the motorcycle.

    What makes me wonder is what exact reason would a omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being have for worrying about the sex of a person some one chooses to sleep with. It made sense at one time, but certainly not at this time. Why would god make people who, if they follow his word, would feel like **** all their lives? Is god that casually cruel to people?

    You're asking questions that are above my pay grade, Redress. I just follow the manual.

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