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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    People have a right to defend their religion. And that includes the religious ceremony known as marriage.

    It's none of their business, though, if gay people want to form some sort of legal agreement. As long as they don't call it marriage..

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    People have a right to defend their religion. And that includes the religious ceremony known as marriage.

    It's none of their business, though, if gay people want to form some sort of legal agreement. As long as they don't call it marriage..
    What if some religions believe in Gay Marriage and want to call it that?

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    What if some religions believe in Gay Marriage and want to call it that?
    I would say accept that other religions don't accept it.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    People have a right to defend their religion. And that includes the religious ceremony known as marriage.

    It's none of their business, though, if gay people want to form some sort of legal agreement. As long as they don't call it marriage..
    Your argument is fallacious. The religious beliefs of this country are not uniform. There are those who believe that gay marriage is moral and those who believe it is immoral.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    What if some religions believe in Gay Marriage and want to call it that?
    I think the issue is one of the legal usage of the word "marriage".

    As long as it's a purely religious usage, as in one religion uses marriage to refer only to male-female unions, but another uses it to define all two-person unions (or perhaps more?), I would hope most wouldn't have an issue.

    But using it to define the legal union of two persons (financially, and otherwise) as is currently the case, if looked at in one way "forces" it's usage for unions that some would disagree with (on religious grounds).

    That said, Jerry made a good point that the only real reason there is a legal "marriage" is mostly for financial reasons, and the financial incentives were put in place to encourage raising children (or at least I think so).

    Now, obviously male-male unions or female-female unions CAN raise children, but it seems probable that the majority (even if it's only a few percentage points) would not plan to (male-male unions probably to a greater extent).

    Now, we could re-define the usage of a legal marriage as exclusively for the purpose of raising children (if that's not the case already in some areas), but enforcing that would be really "interesting"...

    Meh.

    I've found it's not much of an issue for me.

    It's just a word.

    But I think using a different legal term would lower resistance by some.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Now, obviously male-male unions or female-female unions CAN raise children, but it seems probable that the majority (even if it's only a few percentage points) would not plan to (male-male unions probably to a greater extent).
    What do you base that on? Furthermore, based on the census only 44% of married couples have children. That means that less of half the people who are married have kids.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    What do you base that on? Furthermore, based on the census only 44% of married couples have children. That means that less of half the people who are married have kids.
    I base that on nothing other than my own observations of the news items covering the gay marriage debate.

    Have children been mentioned at all?

    If so, I have yet to hear of it.

    It's all about the "right" to be legally equal, and so forth.

    If the raising of children were the reason, you would think it'd be mentioned.

    But, regarding your stat, it only proves my point, even if gay marriages were completely identical to heterosexual ones - it would still be the minority that were for the purpose of raising children...

    Yeah, I know...

    But perhaps my thought of re-defining the legal usage of marriage is more poignant then...

    Perhaps there should be two union types, one for child-raising purposes, with better tax breaks, and one for simple financial union purposes, with lesser ones.

    If, after all, the point of legal marriages is still to encourage the raising of children.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    What do you base that on? Furthermore, based on the census only 44% of married couples have children. That means that less of half the people who are married have kids.
    You're assuming no one is misusing "marriage". Please account for your assumption.

    Also, how many of those couples have had children who are now grown or deceased? How many of those couples have had children but aborted them? How many of those couples want to have children someday but do not have children presently?

    Most importantly, what % of gay couples have children now?
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    I would say accept that other religions don't accept it.
    But they still don't get to have their gay parishioners be married and to call it marriage?

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    If, after all, the point of legal marriages is still to encourage the raising of children.
    Touche. It is one of my greatest frustrations that the GM movement does not use the family argument. Marriage has other institutional functions. Married people longer, healthier, more emotionally fulfilling lives. But I can't argue that marriage is solely for children. I find it ironic that conservatives are more inclinded to do things that will affect heterosexuals people's marriage than gays have ever planned. If gays are allowed marriage, it will virtually have no effect on the marriages of heterosexual people, but if some conservatives have their way, they would annul nearly 60% of the heterosexual marriages in this country. Funny, isn't it? You begin letting conservatives control the definition of marriage, and they slowly start destroying it in ways that gays never could.

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