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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Oh, it's a semantic argument. You want a special term for it. I don't see what the point is other than to try to disassociate gay couples from hetero ones.
    Then you still don't see my argument.

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    Sorry, I'm not reading a hundred plus pages of this thread.
    It is much easier to jump in and make baseless assumptions.

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    I understand where you are coming from now.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Gay marriage won't infringe on anyone's right to practice their religion.
    That is not what he said or implied in any way.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    You are, and being gay is just like someone's race. You don't get a choice in it, and it is just the way a person is.
    I have yet to see proof of this. Being gay is a sexual preference. It seems logical then that being gay is less like someone's race, and more like someone's taste in music, or food, or movies, etc...

    Do people sit down and say "I am going to choose to like classical music" or "I have just decided that I am going to enjoy smoking Camel cigarettes more than I enjoy smoking Marlboros?" Maybe not, but they do make a choice to listen to classical music, and they do make a choice to try smoking cigarettes, and their preferences in that regard will be influenced in some way by the choices they make.

    Why does it even matter? Suppose that I am right, and it is a lifestyle choice. Does that suddenly make it ok to discriminate against them? Would it be ok to discriminate against people who prefer to listen to Chopin rather than Garth Brooks? How is whether its a choice or not even relevant to your argument here?

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Then you still don't see my argument.



    It is much easier to jump in and make baseless assumptions.



    Not really.
    Well, humor me then. Tell me what your position is. It shouldn't take more than a couple sentences.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    I have yet to see proof of this. Being gay is a sexual preference. It seems logical then that being gay is less like someone's race, and more like someone's taste in music, or food, or movies, etc...

    Do people sit down and say "I am going to choose to like classical music" or "I have just decided that I am going to enjoy smoking Camel cigarettes more than I enjoy smoking Marlboros?" Maybe not, but they do make a choice to listen to classical music, and they do make a choice to try smoking cigarettes, and their preferences in that regard will be influenced in some way by the choices they make.

    Why does it even matter? Suppose that I am right, and it is a lifestyle choice. Does that suddenly make it ok to discriminate against them? Would it be ok to discriminate against people who prefer to listen to Chopin rather than Garth Brooks? How is whether its a choice or not even relevant to your argument here?
    I think the distinction is one is a behavior and the other is the essence of who they are.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Well, humor me then. Tell me what your position is. It shouldn't take more than a couple sentences.
    Why? I really don't want to waist anymore time with this as no one wants to know anyone else's position. They would rather insult and make petty jokes rather than understand what is being typed.

    You obviously did not care before, so why would you care now?

    No personal affront to you, but I am no longer interested to be honest. I don't think you are either.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I think the distinction is one is a behavior and the other is the essence of who they are.
    Ok, so listening to Heavy Metal is a behavior, but being a Metalhead is the essence of who you are. Does that make being a Metalhead somehow uninfluenced by any factors other than biological predisposition?

    More to the point, does it make being a Metalhead somehow more acceptable?

    Lets suppose for a moment that being a sociopath with violent urges was an immutable essence of who you are sort of thing. Now the sociopath can't help being a sociopath, but we still put laws in place to keep them from acting on their violent predisposition.

    Similarly, no one to my knowledge has ever suggested making a law that discriminates against people based on their preference for the same sex, but rather on their choice to act on that preference.

    No one wants to stop gay men from marrying women for example, they only want to stop them from marrying other men, which would not be a direct discrimination against their nature for being gay, but rather for their choice to act on it.

    Any way you cut it, the real argument is whether people should be discriminated against based on their choice to engage in a homosexual relationship, not based on any immutable nature of their being.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Why? I really don't want to waist anymore time with this as no one wants to know anyone else's position. They would rather insult and make petty jokes rather than understand what is being typed.

    You obviously did not care before, so why would you care now?

    No personal affront to you, but I am no longer interested to be honest. I don't think you are either.
    I just asked you for your position. I didn't make fun of you.

    Good grief.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    Ok, so listening to Heavy Metal is a behavior, but being a Metalhead is the essence of who you are. Does that make being a Metalhead somehow uninfluenced by any factors other than biological predisposition?
    Environmental factors play a part too.

    But I was just pointing out the angles that are used for each explanation. I don't necessarily disagree with you.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I just asked you for your position. I didn't make fun of you.

    Good grief.
    I know, that is why I said no affront to you. It was not meant as an attack on you in any way.

    I was referring to the general flow of the thread, that and the fact that anyone with an opposing opinion is automatically branded bigot etc. And treated like they are stupid.

    I really am tired of this thread and the Christian school thread. The stupidity level in both threads is just overwhelming.

    PS I honestly don't think you are really that interested in my opinion. I mean it can be summed up in maybe the last 4 or 5 pages I think.
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