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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    You didn't answer my question.

    Where her rights any less violated (in respect to the children of married couples) than a gay couples children are?

    Yes they were or no they were not?
    Yes. Because there is no law that says you could not marry someone you loved and raised her with that person. But there are 31 state constitutional amendments that deny that right to the children of same sex couples. You chose not to marry, but even if same sex couples wanted to get married, they could not.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Yes. Because there is no law that says you could not marry someone you loved and raised her with that person. But there are 31 state constitutional amendments that deny that right to the children of same sex couples. You chose not to marry, but even if same sex couples wanted to get married, they could not.
    So the difference from my daughters rights perspective is nill.

    Isn't it.

    What's she going to do? Sue me because I didn't re-marry right away?
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    So the difference from my daughters rights perspective is nill.

    Isn't it.
    You aren't listening at all.

    You chose not to get married to someone who would help you raise her. You had the right to get married and did not. You made the choice for your daughter.

    Gay couples don't have that choice in 31 states. They don't get to make that choice on behalf of their children. The state made it for them, and thus the state denied children the opportunity to be raised by two parents.

    I'm not going to tell parents how to raise their children. I, however, do not believe the state should be making that decision when it goes against the general welfare of the children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You aren't listening at all.

    You chose not to get married to someone who would help you raise her. You had the right to get married and did not. You made the choice for your daughter.

    Gay couples don't have that choice in 31 states. They don't get to make that choice on behalf of their children. The state made it for them, and thus the state denied children the opportunity to be raised by two parents.

    I'm not going to tell parents how to raise their children. I, however, do not believe the state should be making that decision when it goes against the general welfare of the children.
    You aren't listening to what I am saying,... The government doesn't have the obligation to reward every kind of civil union we 'the people' can come up with.

    The government has the responsibility to define marriage as necessary for things like immigration (article 8, section 1) but it does not have the responsibility to see that every child from every conceivable union (or in my case Non-union) receives the same benefits of the definition of marriage that it does recognize for the purposes of the General Welfare (again Article 8, section 1)

    Governmental Indifference is not an act of discrimination.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    You aren't listening to what I am saying,... The government doesn't have the obligation to reward every kind of civil union we 'the people' can come up with.
    You aren't listening to what I am saying. I provided evidence of how 8 to 10 million children of gays parents and same sex couples could benefit and tens of thousands of foster care children could benefit. There is no evidence of any real harm to society for recognizing it. Therefore, if the government is to ensure that it promotes general welfare, it must by its Constitutional obligation, recognize it.

    The government has the responsibility to define marriage as necessary for things like immigration (article 8, section 1) but it does not have the responsibility to see that every child from every conceivable union (or in my case Non-union) to receive the same benefits of the definition of marriage that it does recognize for the purposes of the General Welfare (again Article 8, section 1)
    I agree. Gay marriage is a union which promotes general welfare for a large segment of society and causes no considerable harm. Unions like incest and polygamy do not promote such general welfare and can do considerable harm. As such, the federal government will eventually recognize gay marriage. I have faith in the system.

    Goevernmental Indifference is not an act of discrimination.
    I never made that argument. 31 states passing constitutional amendments against same sex marriage is not indifference. It is a clear action that is against the general welfare of this nation.


    So how much longer before you start citing the Bible or leave this thread because my arguments are threatening your beliefs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You aren't listening to what I am saying. I provided evidence of how 8 to 10 million children of gays parents and same sex couples could benefit and tens of thousands of foster care children could benefit. There is no evidence of any real harm to society for recognizing it. Therefore, if the government is to ensure that it promotes general welfare, it must by its Constitutional obligation, recognize it.

    I agree. Gay marriage is a union which promotes general welfare for a large segment of society and causes no considerable harm. Unions like incest and polygamy do not promote such general welfare and can do considerable harm. As such, the federal government will eventually recognize gay marriage. I have faith in the system.

    I never made that argument. 31 states passing constitutional amendments against same sex marriage is not indifference. It is a clear action that is against the general welfare of this nation.
    And the point is (as Jerry demonstrated) different people will come each to their own conclusion as to what is and what is not in keeping with the "general welfare" needs of the nation and they will vote accordingly.

    YOU seem to have this 'all or nothing' attitude that if the government is going to do one thing to promote the general welfare,... it has to do all things which would arguably 'promote the general welfare.'

    And in reality,... that's not the case.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Regarding the aspect of this discussion focused on the children facet of marriage.

    I think I read somewhere that as a general rule, a Male + Female parent combo was best for raising a child.

    Followed by Female + Female.

    I cannot recall where I read this, and it obviously depends on the individuals involved, but I thought Id throw it into the mix.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    And the point is (as Jerry demonstrated) different people will come each to their own conclusion as to what is and what is not in keeping with the "general welfare" needs of the nation and they will vote accordingly.
    Sorry, but it isn't a matter of opinion. It's a matter of evidence. I provided evidence of how it is beneficial, and you can provide none to indicate otherwise. Therefore, I'm acting reasonably and you are acting unreasonably, because you are choosing to ignore the evidence just because it doesn't mesh with your beliefs. That is what social conservatives are very good at doing.

    YOU seem to have this 'all or nothing' attitude that if the government is going to do one thing to promote the general welfare,... it has to do all things which would arguably 'promote the general welfare.'
    That is how law works. The same arguments that have been used for improving the general welfare of this nation can reasonably be extended to gay marriage. Therefore it will only be a matter of time before the faulty and irrational beliefs that you social conservative push will come crashing down and people who genuinely believe in making this country a better place for everyone will have their day.

    And in reality,... that's not the case.
    I'm advocating on behalf of children and you are advocating against them. That is the case.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Regarding the aspect of this discussion focused on the children facet of marriage.

    I think I read somewhere that as a general rule, a Male + Female parent combo was best for raising a child.

    Followed by Female + Female.

    I cannot recall where I read this, and it obviously depends on the individuals involved, but I thought I’d throw it into the mix.
    Actually Female + Female is. Heterosexual males represent the most likely candidates to molest children.

    It's a misconception that Male and Female is always ideal. A heterosexual couple can neglect, abuse, and molest its children. That isn't to say that it doesn't happen with homosexual couples, but the latest 25 years of evidence demonstrates quite consistently that kids raised by same sex couples turn out no better or worse adjusted than those raised by different sex couples.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Actually Female + Female is. Heterosexual males represent the most likely candidates to molest children.

    It's a misconception that Male and Female is always ideal. A heterosexual couple can neglect, abuse, and molest its children. That isn't to say that it doesn't happen with homosexual couples, but the latest 25 years of evidence demonstrates quite consistently that kids raised by same sex couples turn out no better or worse adjusted than those raised by different sex couples.
    Hmm, that could be.

    I think what I read had more to do with the different parenting styles that a male would use as opposed to a female, and how the two combined would be better than two females.

    Although not much, if I recall.

    Perhaps if I rephrase, as I recall more of that which I read.

    If two persons raise a child with the well-being of the child in mind, all things being equal, a male-female parent combo will result in a more balanced child than a female-female combo.

    Although only just.

    A male-male combo would be third, followed by a single female, and lastly by a single male.

    Of course, that doesn't count multiple females and one male, or multiple males and one female, or multiple females and multiple males, in any given combo.

    But those are the exceptions, not the rule.

    And, of course, this was presented as a general guideline, as there would always be exceptions.
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