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  • America is becoming more and more racist

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  • America isn't becoming any more racist but racists in America are becoming more and more vocal

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Thread: Racism in America

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    Re: Racism in America

    Black men offend at a rate far higher than any other population group in the U.S. (followed closely by Latino men). It's funny how posts like yours always seem to ignore that part of the equation.
    I don't ignore that at all. When people are in desperate situations they're more likely to commit petty and violent crimes. Why are more Black people in desperate situations? Because of racism. Of course from a class perspective, it's notable that our prisons are filled all but exclusively with poor people of all races. I would argue that the greatest crimes--ie genocide, mass murder, policies resulting in famine etc. are the actions of the ruling class, that is, the rich.
    *Having said this, I still believe that black men face incredibly disparate treatment in America than whites do, generally, in society, and are more likely to experience poverty and social dysfunction as children, which plays a role in offending.
    It's good that you acknowledge that situational factors play a role in determining what group is more likely to commit crimes. Of course once we start looking at the big picture, considering situational forces the next step is to recognize that the situational factors harming Black people are the result of racism which in turn is a result of capitalism. Capitalism, and American Capitalism in particular can't survive without racism, and both are still very much alive.
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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    I don't ignore that at all. When people are in desperate situations they're more likely to commit petty and violent crimes. Why are more Black people in desperate situations? Because of racism. Of course from a class perspective, it's notable that our prisons are filled all but exclusively with poor people of all races. I would argue that the greatest crimes--ie genocide, mass murder, policies resulting in famine etc. are the actions of the ruling class, that is, the rich.

    It's good that you acknowledge that situational factors play a role in determining what group is more likely to commit crimes. Of course once we start looking at the big picture, considering situational forces the next step is to recognize that the situational factors harming Black people are the result of racism which in turn is a result of capitalism. Capitalism, and American Capitalism in particular can't survive without racism, and both are still very much alive.
    I call BS on this. Black crime rates were not nearly as high compared to whites back in the days of Jim Crow. Then again black illegitimacy was no where near as high as it is now. Racism is a convenient excuse for racists who enable this nonsense and excuse the hurtful pathologies of black american culture.

    Racism does not explain the fact that more t han 70% of black births are to unwed mothers or that black teenage girls are impregnated at alarming rates by black men often 10-15 years their senior. Racism does not explain why black kids who bust their humps in school are ridiculed by other blacks or blacks who learn proper English are called sell outs.



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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    How utterly naive. How about the fact that a Black man who commits the same crime as a white man gets on average a six month longer sentence? Not to mention the racial makeup of the prison population. And don't even get me started on the racist death penalty. You want examples of institutionalized racism? It's called the criminal justice system.
    You want Affirmative Action for prisons?

    Does that mean the cops rush out and arrest enough white boys to fill the white boy quota, or do they tell the convicted rapist that they're full up with black rapists this week so they'll just have to let this one go?

    Should the courts start taking the race of the accused into account, allong with the current census of the prison population to make sure the quotas are met and not exceeded?

    Affirmative Action is institutionalized racism and no free government has any business enacting it. Applying it to prisons and convicted criminals is ludicrous.

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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    I don't ignore that at all. When people are in desperate situations they're more likely to commit petty and violent crimes. Why are more Black people in desperate situations? Because of racism. Of course from a class perspective, it's notable that our prisons are filled all but exclusively with poor people of all races. I would argue that the greatest crimes--ie genocide, mass murder, policies resulting in famine etc. are the actions of the ruling class, that is, the rich.

    It's good that you acknowledge that situational factors play a role in determining what group is more likely to commit crimes. Of course once we start looking at the big picture, considering situational forces the next step is to recognize that the situational factors harming Black people are the result of racism which in turn is a result of capitalism. Capitalism, and American Capitalism in particular can't survive without racism, and both are still very much alive.
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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    For instance, treating crack offenses differently than powder cocaine offenses.
    In terms of racism, this statement is meaningless.

    That some groups prefer crack to powdered coke is irrelevant, and the prosecution of persons holding one controlled substance over another is not evidence of racism.

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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    In terms of racism, this statement is meaningless.

    That some groups prefer crack to powdered coke is irrelevant, and the prosecution of persons holding one controlled substance over another is not evidence of racism.
    not unless the motivating factor behind the cocaine base-cocaine powder disparity was racism which some claim it was and with strong logic on their side.



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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    In terms of racism, this statement is meaningless.

    That some groups prefer crack to powdered coke is irrelevant, and the prosecution of persons holding one controlled substance over another is not evidence of racism.
    Crack cocaine and powder cocaine should be prosecuted identically and the sentences should be equivalent. And they aren't. Primarily because of who uses/sells them.

    But thanks for playing. Nice try.

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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    not unless the motivating factor behind the cocaine base-cocaine powder disparity was racism which some claim it was and with strong logic on their side.
    Meanwhile, since there's no evidence to show that racism was the motivation to regulate crack versus coke differently, there's not an issue here.

    That black people like the quick hit of smoking crack over snorting coke more than white people isn't evidence of racism, just like preferring Pink Floyd over MC Hammer isn't evidence of racism.

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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Blacks are more likely to rob, rape or murder a white than the other way around. I don't have current statistics but in recent memory, one year featured over 1000 white women raped by blacks and less than 40 black women raped by whites.

    interestingly that stuff is never mentioned when the left screams about hate crimes. We all know about those three rednecked racists who dragged that black man to death or the schmucks who beat a gay Matthew Shepherd to death but horrendous black on white crimes (one in tennessee made even hardened criminal investigators sick) rarely get any press.

    Is it due to the liberal racism of figuring when whites do it it is worse because they are expected to be "more civilized"

    (sort of like american liberals damning South African fascist racists while excusing the far worse genocidal black dicatators like Amin and Macias)
    Whats funny about this is when you have attitudes like this....

    The racial murder and rape of White women in America | The Official Website of Representative David Duke, PhD

    New Nation News - Black-on-White Crime

    Race and Crime in the USA

    17 year old black man rapes & kills 8 month old white baby! - Topix

    Now lets add to the the way gang bangers are portrayed as hero's etc. Add to that the fact that the civil rights era was not that long ago and a clear picture starts to emerge.

    Draw your own conclusion.
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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Meanwhile, since there's no evidence to show that racism was the motivation to regulate crack versus coke differently, there's not an issue here.

    That black people like the quick hit of smoking crack over snorting coke more than white people isn't evidence of racism, just like preferring Pink Floyd over MC Hammer isn't evidence of racism.
    Is there a good reason to have separate penalties for the same substance, in your thoughtful opinion?

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