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  • America is becoming more and more racist

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  • America isn't becoming any more racist but racists in America are becoming more and more vocal

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  • America is no more or less racist today that it has ever been

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  • America is not a racist country and never has been

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Thread: Racism in America

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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    You guys seem to tend to think that Black culture is the cause of Black people's astronomical rates of poverty, imprisonment, drug abuse etc.
    1) That's not the main factor.

    2) I'll admit that "Black culture" isn't perfect. I'm not denying that gangs and anti-intellectualism are a problem (although that's a problem in most races in America) But let me ask you this: what has African-American culture developed in response to? Why is there even something called Black culture? And why is there a group of people who are defined first and foremost as being "Black"?

    Blackness itself, at least as the defining characteristic of an individual is an invention of the capitalist system. The presumed inferiority, the assertion of the less than human value of a Black man or woman, etc. arose out of the necessity for cheap labor. Modern racism was invented as a justification for the slave trade, which in turn built modern capitalism. Thus, Blackness itself, as we know it today, is an invention of capitalist racism.

    Black culture has developed in response to systematic oppression and racism. From slavery, to Jim Crow, to the destruction of the Black middle class under Reagan to today--at every turn Black culture has had to respond to massive, systematic racism with the limited resources that are inherent to being part of a hated minority who is oppressed politically and economically.

    Throughout history when you have any racial or ethnic group to whom the doors of power aren't open--to whom jobs or equal rights aren't available, you'll see that they tend to establish their own leadership structures which will be criminal by the standards of the ruling class. Be it la castra nostra or the bloods and crips. In the early 80's, as the manufacturing jobs that had offered some hope to the Black community were systematically dismantled and shipped overseas people turned to the drug trade out of desperation.

    Drug trades lead to violence. But these drugs and violence are the result of horrific conditions that make them seem like the best possible options. You can talk about pulling yourself up by your bootstraps all you want, but the reality is that when gangs and drugs exploded in LA, there weren't jobs available to young men in the Black community. And there aren't many today. Have you seen the Black unemployment rate lately?

    Can you acknowledge that if some problems arise in "Black culture" that perhaps, just maybe on some infinitesimal level, racism, historic and current, played some hand in that? You really can't make that connection? If not, I'd like you to offer an alternative explanation. Is it simply that the vile, destructive, Black culture you despise has emerged purely from the vile, destructive, Black hearts of Black men, for no good reason?
    Ummm.... Can you back up anything or are you just going to call things racist without explaining what makes them racist?


    What you are basically saying is, because its happening to blacks at higher rates than whites, it MUST be caused by racism.

    I don't buy it.
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    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Racism in America

    The US might be the least racist country and we're getting better all the time.
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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Ummm.... Can you back up anything or are you just going to call things racist without explaining what makes them racist?


    What you are basically saying is, because its happening to blacks at higher rates than whites, it MUST be caused by racism.

    I don't buy it.
    Ummmmmmmmm... Can you dispute something? Or offer an alternative explanation as I requested? You know, debate politics?
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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    Can you acknowledge that if some problems arise in "Black culture" that perhaps, just maybe on some infinitesimal level, racism, historic and current, played some hand in that?
    I don't blame problems on "Black culture", but of course the past has something to do with the present. Anybody who thinks otherwise isn't being realistic.
    That being said, moving forward and taking advantage of the positive changes for blacks since abolition, and especially the civil rights movement, is a responsibility that must be assumed by those who wanted an improvemnt in their freedoms, circumstances, and rights. Legislation can create all the access and rights in the world, but those who have won those rights must claim them and take on the responsibility for improving their own lives. Blaming others for one's plight only works for a limited time.
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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    Ummmmmmmmm... Can you dispute something? Or offer an alternative explanation as I requested? You know, debate politics?
    I think the duty is on you to prove that racism is to explain for the problems facing blacks today. I don't buy the claim that racism (of the kind you talk about) causes the disgusting rate of illegitimacy among blacks given that such rates were about the same as whites back in the days before the civil rights act when Jim Crow ruled the south and the klan had open supporters in our congress and senate



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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I think the duty is on you to prove that racism is to explain for the problems facing blacks today. I don't buy the claim that racism (of the kind you talk about) causes the disgusting rate of illegitimacy among blacks given that such rates were about the same as whites back in the days before the civil rights act when Jim Crow ruled the south and the klan had open supporters in our congress and senate
    Who do we point at then?

    Education? I would, and possibly state government.


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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    Ummmmmmmmm... Can you dispute something? Or offer an alternative explanation as I requested? You know, debate politics?

    I can dispute something you haven't provided facts for. You say (insert problem here) was caused by racism. Yet provide no proof that racism is the cause and not some other factor.

    Its the equivalent of me countering saying its caused by a squirrel. With no facts as to how the squirrel caused the problem.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Who do we point at then?

    Education? I would, and possibly state government.
    What about pointing at parents who don't support their children's educations by reading to their children, having books around the house, investing in computers and software, or being involved in the local school?

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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I can dispute something you haven't provided facts for. You say (insert problem here) was caused by racism. Yet provide no proof that racism is the cause and not some other factor.

    Its the equivalent of me countering saying its caused by a squirrel. With no facts as to how the squirrel caused the problem.
    Actually, I think that squirrels may be involved somehow. They're all little psychos with a deathwish.

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    Re: Racism in America

    Race is getting more and more difficult to discuss this doesent mean there is less racism out there though.
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