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  • America is becoming more and more racist

    5 10.00%
  • America isn't becoming any more racist but racists in America are becoming more and more vocal

    27 54.00%
  • America is no more or less racist today that it has ever been

    20 40.00%
  • America is not a racist country and never has been

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Thread: Racism in America

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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    100 to one disparity is BS
    But it doesn't automatically mean racism.

    If you want to argue the facts of disparate sentencing, few will dispute you.

    But you've no evidence of overt racism, and you thus weaken your case against disparate sentencing by insisting that such is racially motivated.

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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    I thought that's what you were saying, i.e., the disparity in punishments is the result of racist whites. I think the more rational explanation is that they're just ignorant and biased.
    when dealing with politicians, both reasons are equally valid



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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    I don't disagree with any of this. I'm simply saying the disparate punishments are probably the result of standard bias and ignorance as opposed to pernicious racism.
    Sometimes, standard bias results in systemic pernicious racism in terms of effects. Those of us who see the end result of the laws see the pernicious racism.

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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    But you've no evidence of overt racism, and you thus weaken your case against disparate sentencing by insisting that such is racially motivated.
    You don't need evidence of overt racism to state that the substances are virtually the same and should be handled the same in court.

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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    But it doesn't automatically mean racism.

    If you want to argue the facts of disparate sentencing, few will dispute you.

    But you've no evidence of overt racism, and you thus weaken your case against disparate sentencing by insisting that such is racially motivated.
    well I doubt any politician is going to admit that. Just as none of the gun banners are going to admit that their motivation is to punish conservative gun owners.

    I deal with discrimination cases. Very few employers will admit that they fired someone because they are black, female, white, disabled or over 40. However, if the reason they give for their employment decision is clearly specious than it is prational for the jury to conclude that discrimination was the true motive

    when politicians give BS arguments that have continually been shot down as factually devoid, then presuming a more nefarious reason is rather valid



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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Sometimes, standard bias results in systemic pernicious racism in terms of effects. Those of us who see the end result of the laws see the pernicious racism.
    Okay, now you're arguing the effect is racist, whereas before you were arguing the motivations were racist. If you want to say the effect of this ignorance and bias is racist, I can agree with that, I suppose, but if you want to suggest the motivation behind the disparate sentencing is racism, then I must insist you substantiate that accusation with more than mere inferences.

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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    Okay, now you're arguing the effect is racist, whereas before you were arguing the motivations were racist. If you want to say the effect of this ignorance and bias is racist, I can agree with that, I suppose, but if you want to suggest the motivation behind the disparate sentencing is racism, then I must insist you substantiate that accusation with more than mere inferences.
    I never argued that the motivations were racist, though I would stand by what I said about why the laws were written as they were.

    I said that the penalties should be equalized. I think you read into my post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    There is still some equalization that needs to occur in federal sentencing for drug crimes. For instance, treating crack offenses differently than powder cocaine offenses.

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    Re: Racism in America

    If a law has a disparate impact on a group that is a prima facie case of racial discrimination. Now sometimes that disparate impact can be rebutted. In my opinion it has not been in the crack/powder sentencing disparity



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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You don't need evidence of overt racism to state that the substances are virtually the same and should be handled the same in court.
    Well, let's....if I take a half-ounce lead slug and and throw it at someone's head, I've probably committed a misdeanor.

    If I take that same half-ounce slug and fire it at 700 fps at that same head, I'm looking at a life sentence in prison.

    But, hell, it's the same damn material.

    It's just racist that shooting it through a gun is treated differently under the law than lobbing sinkers at people.

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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Well, let's....if I take a half-ounce lead slug and and throw it at someone's head, I've probably committed a misdeanor.

    If I take that same half-ounce slug and fire it at 700 fps at that same head, I'm looking at a life sentence in prison.

    But, hell, it's the same damn material.

    It's just racist that shooting it through a gun is treated differently under the law than lobbing sinkers at people.
    That's probably the worst apples/oranges comparison I've ever seen. Hands down.

    Would you like to try again?

    p.s. I wonder if there is a correlation to this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I've seen plenty of people snorting coke.

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