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  • America is becoming more and more racist

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  • America isn't becoming any more racist but racists in America are becoming more and more vocal

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  • America is no more or less racist today that it has ever been

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  • America is not a racist country and never has been

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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    So... we're supposed to ignore it when black people commit crimes.. just to be fair?
    Yeah. I tried to think of a serious response and failed.

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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you have reviewed the legislative history behind the crack cocaine sentence disparities? The violence-mostly black perpetrators-had a lot to do with it. Whether it was the violence or the race of the perpetrators is a difficult delineation to make though.
    Not really.

    One has to ASSUME racism to get to point of ignoring the violence associated with crack, and then work backwards to claim the legislation is racist. It's logically unsupportable.

    And the ACLU is not a reliable source, as their agenda of ripping the Constitution is quite evident in many of the cases they take on .

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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    There's a hellalot of coke snorting amongst elected officials and corporate shot-callers. Not much crack-smoking.
    Not much armed robbery and gang wars either (well, at least not openly... : D ).

    No. They think, "Cocaine isn't that bad, after all, I know lots of people who use it, but crack kills."
    Which is not the same as a cabal of white racists conspiring to oppress black people through disparate drug laws. It's just standard bias and hypocrisy; not exactly uncommon for politicians...

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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    Okay, this is a reasonable position to take, so long as we can admit the motivations behind it (violence or race) are not clear. The word "crack" tends to elicit images of violence and social ruin; perhaps that is why it's treated differently. Is that a good reason for doing so? I don't think so, but it's not the same as a cabal of white racists conspiring to oppress black people...
    I have problems with

    1) a mandatory jail sentence for mere prossession when more dangerous stuff (some of the crystal meth stuff is far more likely to cause violence than crack) does not have a federal mandatory prison sentence. Five years for a nickel bag of rock--that is idiotic and 5 years of prison almost guarantees that a first time offender is "institutionalized" after release. mere possession when there is no intent to sell should not merit prison.

    2) that often low level dealers get harsher time than major league traffickers because the low level guys normall don't have the ability to rat out a big time supplier

    3) and yes, the supposed violence of the crack trade which was seen as black violence

    100 to one disparity is BS



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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    Not much armed robbery and gang wars either (well, at least not openly... : D ).

    Which is not the same as a cabal of white racists conspiring to oppress black people through disparate drug laws. It's just standard bias and hypocrisy; not exactly uncommon for politicians...
    Nobody is arguing otherwise. But the two substances are basically the same, and should be treated the same in the law, whether your friends use one of them or not.

    And don't think I'm soft on crime, either. Caine will tell ya I'm not.

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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Not really.

    One has to ASSUME racism to get to point of ignoring the violence associated with crack, and then work backwards to claim the legislation is racist. It's logically unsupportable.

    And the ACLU is not a reliable source, as their agenda of ripping the Constitution is quite evident in many of the cases they take on .
    I have been around the courts for a few decades and sat through a few dozen major league drug trials and guess what? The people selling and doing crack aren't anywhere near 100 times as bad as the guys doing or selling blow



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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I have been around the courts for a few decades and sat through a few dozen major league drug trials and guess what? The people selling and doing crack aren't anywhere near 100 times as bad as the guys doing or selling blow
    True dat. Crackheads are just sad desperate creatures. Coke dealers scare me.

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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I have problems with

    1) a mandatory jail sentence for mere prossession when more dangerous stuff (some of the crystal meth stuff is far more likely to cause violence than crack) does not have a federal mandatory prison sentence. Five years for a nickel bag of rock--that is idiotic and 5 years of prison almost guarantees that a first time offender is "institutionalized" after release. mere possession when there is no intent to sell should not merit prison.

    2) that often low level dealers get harsher time than major league traffickers because the low level guys normall don't have the ability to rat out a big time supplier

    3) and yes, the supposed violence of the crack trade which was seen as black violence

    100 to one disparity is BS
    I don't disagree with any of this. I'm simply saying the disparate punishments are probably the result of standard bias and ignorance as opposed to pernicious racism.

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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    True dat. Crackheads are just sad desperate creatures. Coke dealers scare me.
    well one thing is for sure-the guys selling cracks to the mopes in the hood and the BMW driving yuppies selling Kilo amounts of blow to rich hollywood types or trust fund idiots are all getting their stuff from the same place. Crack is "made" at the almost lowest level of distribution.



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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Nobody is arguing otherwise. But the two substances are basically the same, and should be treated the same in the law, whether your friends use one of them or not.

    And don't think I'm soft on crime, either. Caine will tell ya I'm not.
    I thought that's what you were saying, i.e., the disparity in punishments is the result of racist whites. I think the more rational explanation is that they're just ignorant and biased.

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