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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Crack cocaine and powder cocaine should be prosecuted identically and the sentences should be equivalent. And they aren't. Primarily because of who uses/sells them.

    But thanks for playing. Nice try.

    I've seen plenty of people snorting coke. They show no propensity for violence or demonstrate an urgent need to score another immediate hit.

    The concept of Coke Whore never seemed to catch on.

    Crack has different physiological effects, becuase it's lower vaporization temperature compared to coke allows it to hit the brain faster.

    You want to pretend there's no difference between crack and coke?

    Be my guest.

    My own personal opinion is that there's no extant constitutional authority allowing the federal government to regulate substances. Some damn fool wants to poison themselves for fun, let them.

    But, since crack and coke DO create different responses in those who consume them, it's disingenous to claim racism is the cause for the different treatment.

    But here's a suggestion. Let's pretend you're right. to make things equal, let's have a moratorium on crack possession until as many white boys on coke have been jailed as blacks.

    But I don't want to hear one damned word from the fools pretending crack is racist that the inner cities are now being destroyed by the drug wars that are guaranteed to ensue.

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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    Crack is easier to move and use; the high is quicker and thus more addictive; it's more destructive in terms of social cost; that could be the reason it has harsher penalties associated with it; I'm not saying it's a good reason, but it very well could be; to automatically assume racism without evidence is, well, bull****.
    So far you have offered nothing but speculation. Being a police officer, I know it's bull****. Nothing against you, but I know for a fact why crack has higher penalty's. It boils down to race for the most part.
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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Drug enforcement authorities don't pass laws. Old white men do.
    I doubt they have much sympathy for drug users either, black or white.

    You actually think the people who make these laws think to themselves, "Well, blacks use crack, so let's make that a harsher penalty than coke, which our white brethren are more apt to use."

    Seems a bit far-fetched to me...

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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Drug enforcement authorities don't pass laws. Old white men do.
    I didn't know Chuck Tax Cheat Rangel was white.

    What about the Messiah, is his white half suddenly dominant when he holds a pen in his hand, and the black half only surfaces when he's handling a basketball or a cigarette?

    Which half is dominant when he's reading a teleprompter.

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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Meanwhile, since there's no evidence to show that racism was the motivation to regulate crack versus coke differently, there's not an issue here.

    That black people like the quick hit of smoking crack over snorting coke more than white people isn't evidence of racism, just like preferring Pink Floyd over MC Hammer isn't evidence of racism.
    you have reviewed the legislative history behind the crack cocaine sentence disparities? The violence-mostly black perpetrators-had a lot to do with it. Whether it was the violence or the race of the perpetrators is a difficult delineation to make though. However, it clearly has a disparate impact even if disparate treatment was not the intent of most of those who voted for the change in 1988

    I am not much of a fan of the ACLU due to their hypocrisy (such as opposing gun rights and property rights as well as say the right of association) but on this issue they are correct

    Interested Persons Memo on Crack/Powder Cocaine Sentencing Policy | American Civil Liberties Union



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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    I doubt they have much sympathy for drug users either, black or white.

    You actually think the people who make these laws think to themselves, "Well, blacks use crack, so let's make that a harsher penalty than coke, which our white brethren are more apt to use."

    Seems a bit far-fetched to me...
    Yeah, and it's amazing how all fifty seven states decided to treat crack possession more harshly, if the motivation was racism.

    What happens to the Looney Leftist Theory that only Republicans are racist when Democrat dominated states like California and New York are so mean to crack addicts?

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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So far you have offered nothing but speculation. Being a police officer, I know it's bull****. Nothing against you, but I know for a fact why crack has higher penalty's. It boils down to race for the most part.
    Funny. I was observing a presentation from an undercover narcotics detective today and he said exactly what I'm saying right now. That is, crack is easier to distribute, gets the user higher quicker, and can be sold for a higher profit; why can't that be the reason?

    As for speculation, you're the one making assertions with no proof; I'm merely offering an alternative explanation.

    I highly doubt that legislators got together and conspired to impose softer penalties on coke-users because they're predominately white. These legislators see pretty much all drug-users as subhuman filth, so I don't know why they'd give a damn if a coke user was white or black.

    "Gerald! We can't have our white, coke-using brethren serving similar sentences to those black, crack-using hooligans!!! It's unseemly, I tell you!!!"

    Sorry if I'm a bit incredulous...

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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you have reviewed the legislative history behind the crack cocaine sentence disparities? The violence-mostly black perpetrators-had a lot to do with it. Whether it was the violence or the race of the perpetrators is a difficult delineation to make though. However, it clearly has a disparate impact even if disparate treatment was not the intent of most of those who voted for the change in 1988

    I am not much of a fan of the ACLU due to their hypocrisy (such as opposing gun rights and property rights as well as say the right of association) but on this issue they are correct

    Interested Persons Memo on Crack/Powder Cocaine Sentencing Policy | American Civil Liberties Union
    Okay, this is a reasonable position to take, so long as we can admit the motivations behind it (violence or race) are not clear. The word "crack" tends to elicit images of violence and social ruin; perhaps that is why it's treated differently. Is that a good reason for doing so? I don't think so, but it's not the same as a cabal of white racists conspiring to oppress black people...

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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    Laugh it up. This country locks up Black men at a rate 5.8 times higher than South Africa under apartheid. But you're all correct, it's BLACK racism that is out of control in our society.
    So... we're supposed to ignore it when black people commit crimes.. just to be fair?
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    Re: Racism in America

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    I doubt they have much sympathy for drug users either, black or white.
    There's a hellalot of coke snorting amongst elected officials and corporate shot-callers. Not much crack-smoking.

    You actually think the people who make these laws think to themselves, "Well, blacks use crack, so let's make that a harsher penalty than coke, which our white brethren are more apt to use."
    No. They think, "Cocaine isn't that bad, after all, I know lots of people who use it, but crack kills."

    This ain't rocket science.

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