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    Re: The 51st State: Puerto Rico

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    They are already a protectorate of the U.S. and have most of the perks of U.S. citizenship without the tax liabilities. So if they choose to file for statehood I don't see a problem.
    They way I'm seeing it is that someone is pushing a bill to give them representation, even though they have already voted several times to not become a state.

    Smells fishy to me.
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    Re: The 51st State: Puerto Rico

    The issue with PR becoming a state has to do with immigration bills in Congress.

    We need more debate on this before HR 2499 is made law.

    I just emailed this message to my Congressman:

    Please vote no on H.R. 2499 because an issue as important as statehood for Puerto Rico deserves a national debate first, instead of this sneaky attempt to add a new state to America. Americans deserve to know more about this before you vote on it so please Vote NO on HR 2499 and vote NO on statehood for Puerto Rico.

    OBL 11/24/02

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    Re: The 51st State: Puerto Rico

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They way I'm seeing it is that someone is pushing a bill to give them representation, even though they have already voted several times to not become a state.

    Smells fishy to me.
    That would be a major problem, if they aren't a state then they shouldn't have a vote on U.S. federal or state legal matters, that would be a very sneaky way of trying to pad the house a bit and I would have a major problem with it.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: The 51st State: Puerto Rico

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    That would be a major problem, if they aren't a state then they shouldn't have a vote on U.S. federal or state legal matters, that would be a very sneaky way of trying to pad the house a bit and I would have a major problem with it.
    Reading more about it, the bill requires PR to hold a referendum on sovereignty and statehood like they have in the past.

    They have a pretty sweet deal, so I don't know why they would vote to become a state.
    They would lose some very nice bennies because of it.

    They don't pay federal income taxes.
    They do pay SS and Medicare taxes.
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    Re: The 51st State: Puerto Rico

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Reading more about it, the bill requires PR to hold a referendum on sovereignty and statehood like they have in the past.

    They have a pretty sweet deal, so I don't know why they would vote to become a state.
    They would lose some very nice bennies because of it.
    I figured that's what it was but will have to study it further, this issue actually comes up every couple of years or so between the US and Puerto Rico, it's assumed they'll eventually become a state but if it's the normal course I don't see an issue. I personally don't see why they'd want to be a state, they trade off a representative vote for no federal taxes, they'd have to be nuts to become a state right now.
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    Re: The 51st State: Puerto Rico

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I figured that's what it was but will have to study it further, this issue actually comes up every couple of years or so between the US and Puerto Rico, it's assumed they'll eventually become a state but if it's the normal course I don't see an issue. I personally don't see why they'd want to be a state, they trade off a representative vote for no federal taxes, they'd have to be nuts to become a state right now.
    I know if I had the option I'd vote no.
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    Re: The 51st State: Puerto Rico

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I know if I had the option I'd vote no.
    Me too. I love in rural Georgia, where voting for a democrat is meaningless.

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    Re: The 51st State: Puerto Rico

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Me too. I love in rural Georgia, where voting for a democrat is meaningless.
    For me it's totally based on the federal tax exemption.

    While I don't pay taxes now, I will in the near future and would love to keep more of my check.
    I don't vote so it wouldn't make a difference to me anyway if we weren't represented.
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    Re: The 51st State: Puerto Rico

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    For me it's totally based on the federal tax exemption.

    While I don't pay taxes now, I will in the near future and would love to keep more of my check.
    I don't vote so it wouldn't make a difference to me anyway if we weren't represented.
    I think voting is a good ethic, even if you write your candidate in. But my views are not popular down here, so for me it is about as good as pissing on a tornado.

    So I may as well give it up, if I could have something that actually benefits me, like a tax exemption.

    Also, I would probably be more positive about voting if we didn't have the electoral college to blunt my voice.

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    Re: The 51st State: Puerto Rico

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Also, I would probably be more positive about voting if we didn't have the electoral college to blunt my voice.
    by the same principle, do you also support the abolition of the senate?

    senators from less populous states do, after all, have an equal vote to senators in more populous states.

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Yep. But we really could combine a lot of the mountain and midwest states since most of them don't have that many people.
    I'd rather combine all those puny states in new england into one state. why should such a tiny area of the country represented by so many senators?
    Last edited by other; 04-29-10 at 04:02 PM.

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