View Poll Results: Should the U.S. have a national identity card?

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  • Yes, it makes perfect sense. Screening for legal residence could be done with other police stops

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  • They already make you show ID and proof of insurance, it might be okay

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  • As long as minorities aren't specifically targeted, it's fine

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  • I don't like the idea, it makes me uncomfortable

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  • Sounds like police state tactics to me.

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    Should the U.S. have a nationa identity card?

    There's a lot of talk, especially with the Arizona controversy, about illegal immigration and enforcement of immigration laws, and how to do so without targeting people of Hispanic appearance.

    One solution would be a national identity card. If every person stopped by the police had one, and was required to show it, then legal residence in the U.S. could be verified with a simple traffic stop, or domestic violence police call.

    Suspects are already required to give ID, why not have people be required to have a National ID card?

    What do you think?

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    Re: Should the U.S. have a nationa identity card?

    If they have a state ID of some kind, why would that not be enough to prove that they have legal residence in the U.S.?

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    Re: Should the U.S. have a nationa identity card?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    If they have a state ID of some kind, why would that not be enough to prove that they have legal residence in the U.S.?
    People show their drivers license, that doesn't guarantee legal residence.

    I feel that, as long as they're stopping someone, are checking their insurance, their driver license, running a check on it, then why not use that opportunity to check to see if they're legally in the country? What's the big deal? With computers it should be easy.

    That would be a way to get illegals who are most likely the problem people anyways. Checking the national ID card would be something done on everyone who is stopped, no matter how they look, or if they have an accent or not. After all, Canadians don't have an accent.

    Or else, keep it the way it is and do nothing.

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    Re: Should the U.S. have a nationa identity card?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    If every person stopped by the police had one, and was required to show it
    Papers....papers please.


    No thank you. We don't need a national ID, the government already has all the information it needs. And we shouldn't be requiring the national ID to be carried at all times and presented to an officer if questioned. No way no how. I'll take illegal immigration over that fascist nonsense any day of the week.
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    Re: Should the U.S. have a nationa identity card?

    I say no, we should not have national ID. A national ID will not stop scum from hiring illegals regardless if there was a law that said you can not hire someone without a national ID especially seeing how there is already a law saying you can't hire illegals. I think letting the the government mandate a national ID is giving them another inch in which they will use to take a mile. A national ID is just giving the government another inch under the guise of a fake band-aid for the illegal immigration situation. I do not want fake bands aid, I want enforcement of our illegal immigration laws.
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    Re: Should the U.S. have a nationa identity card?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Papers....papers please.


    No thank you. We don't need a national ID, the government already has all the information it needs. And we shouldn't be requiring the national ID to be carried at all times and presented to an officer if questioned. No way no how. I'll take illegal immigration over that fascist nonsense any day of the week.
    The police are already allowed to demand an ID card, what's the difference? This would be specifically aimed at proving legal residence. Why is that any different than proving that you are licensed to drive, fish, hunt, or any of a number of other things.

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    Re: Should the U.S. have a nationa identity card?

    It does not trigger bad feelings for me, but I do see it as an unnecessary feature.
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    Re: Should the U.S. have a nationa identity card?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    The police are already allowed to demand an ID card, what's the difference? This would be specifically aimed at proving legal residence. Why is that any different than proving that you are licensed to drive, fish, hunt, or any of a number of other things.
    This generalizes it. I have to be driving to have my drivers license demanded. I have to be fishing to be demanded to show fishing license. If I'm walking down the street, a cop currently can't demand that I ID myself. It's already bad enough the way things are, there is no reason to go about making it worse. Not another form of ID, we have enough. Not another law allowing cops to demand ID at their discretion. We're done. We should be removing laws, not making more.
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    Re: Should the U.S. have a nationa identity card?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    This generalizes it. I have to be driving to have my drivers license demanded. I have to be fishing to be demanded to show fishing license. If I'm walking down the street, a cop currently can't demand that I ID myself. It's already bad enough the way things are, there is no reason to go about making it worse. Not another form of ID, we have enough. Not another law allowing cops to demand ID at their discretion. We're done. We should be removing laws, not making more.
    No, they would only be allowed to demand ID if they have a legitimate reason to stop you, such investigating a crime, you're speeding, your dog bit someone.

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    Re: Should the U.S. have a nationa identity card?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    No, they would only be allowed to demand ID if they have a legitimate reason to stop you, such investigating a crime, you're speeding, your dog bit someone.
    That's the same language they would use to try and sell it to the public if they ever tried to implement this type of law because they know how ridiculous it is. There's still going to be many cases where officers will go after those who they feel are suspicious and don't belong here and came here illegally. It's just not right, It's gives the police way too much power over the people to do something like that.
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