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    Re: The Stimulus failed, including that $282 Billion in tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    You have to define the goal of the stimulus in order to determine whether or not it failed.
    Actually the whole point of this thread was to put the "Stimulus failed, therefore more tax cuts" crowd between a rock and hard place. More then a few users here offered tax cuts as an alternative to the stimulus without realizing that the stimulus had a large portion as tax cuts.
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    Re: The Stimulus failed, including that $282 Billion in tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Actually the whole point of this thread was to put the "Stimulus failed, therefore more tax cuts" crowd between a rock and hard place. More then a few users here offered tax cuts as an alternative to the stimulus without realizing that the stimulus had a large portion as tax cuts.
    Perhaps they think there wasn't enough tax cuts. I don't really know, but if you want others to answer your question you have to define the goal of the stimulus. I think it was a failure because the Obama administration said it would keep unemployment below a certain level and it failed to accomplish this.

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    Re: The Stimulus failed, including that $282 Billion in tax cuts

    I think the stimulus was a daunting success and a clear indication that America is back. With the 35 million jobs that were created and reducing unemployment to unheard of lows, we have a strong and robust foundation championed by this administration that will be studied and emulated for years to come.

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    Re: The Stimulus failed, including that $282 Billion in tax cuts

    I believe the stimulus was a great success, but I'm not sure the tax cuts did any good. I believe the Bush administration proved that cutting taxes doesn't mean a growing economy. If the "cut taxes to grow the economy" BS worked, we wouldn't be in this mess. I believe we should be more concerned as to why we needed a stimulus in the first place.

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    Re: The Stimulus failed, including that $282 Billion in tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    Perhaps they think there wasn't enough tax cuts. I don't really know, but if you want others to answer your question you have to define the goal of the stimulus.
    Well, from what I read, they call the entire thing a failure. And you'll learn that often my polls are designed to force people to realize their positions are inherently contradictory.
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    Re: The Stimulus failed, including that $282 Billion in tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Bouncing all over the place? Please demonstrate such volatility, as i have seen a bull market of unprecedented parallel.

    What has been the maximum pullback since the March lows of 2009? Keep in mind i trade volatility. A wall of liquidity has ushered such a run.
    You're kidding right? Up 200, then down 250, then down 50, then up 2, then down 300. Going from 7500pts to 11k and then receding back under within months. You call that stable?
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    Re: The Stimulus failed, including that $282 Billion in tax cuts

    What tax cuts?
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    Re: The Stimulus failed, including that $282 Billion in tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Well, from what I read, they call the entire thing a failure. And you'll learn that often my polls are designed to force people to realize their positions are inherently contradictory.
    For every difficut question there are a thousand simple answers, and they are almost all wrong.

    Your simplistic poll shows that partisans love the gottya black and white answers. This is true of many on this forum be they dem or rep.

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    Re: The Stimulus failed, including that $282 Billion in tax cuts

    This poll needs a 3rd option: Unknown. How many of us really know whether things would be better, worse, or the same without the stimulus?

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    Re: The Stimulus failed, including that $282 Billion in tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    This poll needs a 3rd option: Unknown. How many of us really know whether things would be better, worse, or the same without the stimulus?
    I think it is reasonable to say that in the short term if you pump 300 billion into the economy it will have some stimulative effect.

    What we do not know is how much and where we see this improvement. Also any rational discussion would usually contain some type of cost/ benefit analysis. So for whatever we did get was it worth it.

    Sort of like saying you ate at a restuarant and you are no longer hungry. That is different than saying that what you paid for the meal was worth it.

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