I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK
But you do not have a right to violate those laws without expecting to be punished. You certainly have no right to expect amnesty for example.I know. But my opinion as to their general worth is entirely personal. They have every right to pass laws and I have every right to agree with them or not.
Hey, we agree on something. Those laws you don't like, you have to power to work to change them. It's much more constructive than just breaking the laws.Some are. Some are not. In general, however, I agree that "laws are important".
I define it as knowing breaking and continuing to break the law. As an example on a different subject: if you oppose marijuana laws, there is nothing wrong with that. If you get high occasionally, it's not great, not bad. If you continue to get high, knowing it is illegal, you are a criminal. Respect for laws is important. Laws are the glue that holds society together. To answer your last question: if you break all those laws you disagree with, yes. You have shown a disregard for the society you live in.How do you define that exactly? Is it breaking one law? 100 laws? "Important" laws? I don't know where the cutoff is for "not respecting" laws. I don't know anyone who hasn't broken any laws. Does that mean they don't respect laws in general? And how is that, in and of itself, bad? In other words, let's say I hate every law in America, but have not violated anyone else's life, liberty or property. Am I bad?
Thousands of Mexicans Wait Patiently for US Visa
Last year, the State Department's 10 offices in Mexico issued 941,581 visas, more than twice as many as in any other country. Nearly 80 percent were temporary-visitor visas, issued to people who want to take a business trip, visit family, see the sights. They are good for 10 years.
Temporary workers accounted for an additional 13 percent of visas. Those visas must be renewed more frequently.
To be granted a visitor's visa, the most common type, applicants must prove they will return to Mexico. So applicants come armed with documents: bank statements, home deeds, car titles, pay stubs - anything to prove they have no intention of staying in the United States.
Getting a work visa is even trickier: Applicants must have a job offer and be sponsored by an employer, and the number of visas allowed annually for unskilled laborers is usually used up within a few months.
Wow. Am I awesome or what?
I suggest you never be in the same car as I am when it's 3am and I'm at a 4-way stop in the country.Originally Posted by redress
You realize you just claimed that they create jobs, right? If they emigrate we need more teachers and more health care providers. We have 10% unemployment. You just helped the problem.The whole "no one being harmed" is clearly false. We have limited jobs in this country, we have limited numbers of teachers and health care professionals. Illegal immigrants use all of those limited resources.
Never said I did.But you do not have a right to violate those laws without expecting to be punished. You certainly have no right to expect amnesty for example.
I agree. In practice, however, I tend to do both at the same time!Hey, we agree on something. Those laws you don't like, you have to power to work to change them. It's much more constructive than just breaking the laws.
Actually, we just disagree on what "disregard for society" is. To me it's as simple as violating the life, liberty or property of an innocent person. If you refrain from doing that I think you are doing society a pretty good favor regardless of whether you broke some laws. Likewise, you can follow the law and cause real harm to people (eh, Wall Street).To answer your last question: if you break all those laws you disagree with, yes. You have shown a disregard for the society you live in.
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Wow. Am I awesome or what?
And, the restriction on the numbers allowed in are there for a reason. People who don't respect that only hurt the country and the people in it. Not to mention spit in the face of the millions of LEGAL immigrants that come here doing it the right way.
I don't think they view it that way. Were it so, you could just call the INS to herd up all the people at a random immigrant/protest rally in Arizona since the declaration of this bill. I'd be willing to bet money that a good chunk, if not most, of the people demonstrating are Mexicans that are here legally. Those Latino people are known for intense amounts of pride, and they'd stand by their brethren more than their desire to give you a cut-rate discount on your landscaping needs.Originally Posted by rivrrat
They don't see it as hurting their people who are here legally. They see it as a hurdle blocking the eventual takeover of the southwestern United States back under the flag of the red, white, and green.
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