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Thread: Media and Talk Radio? Bias, leaners or fair

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    Re: Media and Talk Radio? Bias, leaners or fair

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    I would love for those programs to end... I'd love for people to not need these programs anymore... but unfortunately there are people who are either unwilling or unable to let cuts be made to the programs. And I am concerned about the people who are unable to let cuts happen, because they are in a position where they need these programs to survive.
    No, you explained yourself perfectly well. As I said, that's very much a objective thinking liberal, not a "centrist".

    I doubt most liberals would WANT Medicare or Welfare or Social Security or whatever if it wasn't needed. Actually, I dare say many democrats would not want it if it wasn't needed. However they feel it IS needed and that the need for it is strong enough that the government should provide it at the expense of other citizens who don't need it.

    What you're saying is not "moderate", what you're saying is a non-hyper partisan democrat view of it. That they'd love not to need them, but we do and thus its acceptable to have the government try to fix it by taking from people what the government deems a "fair share" to instead shift it to the other people.

    Like I said, your stance is no more "centrist" or "moderate" than someone who says they really wish we didn't NEED to nation build or invade other countries, but because terrorism does affect us then we need to act pre-emptively to save peoples lives. Just because you wish what you support doesn't NEED to happen doesn't mean you're supporting it any less.

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    Re: Media and Talk Radio? Bias, leaners or fair

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    So now Juan Williams, Bill O'Reilly(railed against Wall Street and the Oil companies), Wendell Goler, and Lis Wiel are all uber conservatives now? I must have missed the memo.
    So Juan Williams and Bill O'Reilly are the "left" on FOX news and therefore they are "fair and balanced".

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    Re: Media and Talk Radio? Bias, leaners or fair

    Nothing in there is conservative, nothing in there is centrist and having "right and left" leaning views. You think there should be Social Security, you think there should be Medicare, you think people should be taxed to give that money to someone else, and think that the government should dictate your "fair share" that you can give up to help others.
    More right wing propaganda that you believe. Social Security is not "taxing you to give to someone else". That's right wing propaganda. You're paying premiums on an insurance policy that you will benefit from later. No one collects social security that didn't pay premiums. They're collecting from their policy they payed into. The same with medicare.

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    Re: Media and Talk Radio? Bias, leaners or fair

    I choose extreme right because even during some of their so called "unbiased" programs they still fail to do moderate reporting.
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    Re: Media and Talk Radio? Bias, leaners or fair

    And why is something that is "state-run" have to be "left".
    Which side traditionally seeks to perpetuate government? The left.Considering what else you believe, I'm not the least bit surprised.
    So, you consider something that is ran by the sate and is public funded with no agenda is far left, while news media that is corporate owned and sponsored is the "center." No wonder we're so screwed up.
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    Re: Media and Talk Radio? Bias, leaners or fair

    Quote Originally Posted by jacksbrat View Post
    So, you consider something that is ran by the sate and is public funded with no agenda is far left, while news media that is corporate owned and sponsored is the "center." No wonder we're so screwed up.
    Where did I say any news outlet was in the center?

    Oh yeah, I didn't.

    You're the only one who is screwed up so far. Get a clue.

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    Re: Media and Talk Radio? Bias, leaners or fair

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, you explained yourself perfectly well. As I said, that's very much a objective thinking liberal, not a "centrist".

    I doubt most liberals would WANT Medicare or Welfare or Social Security or whatever if it wasn't needed. Actually, I dare say many democrats would not want it if it wasn't needed. However they feel it IS needed and that the need for it is strong enough that the government should provide it at the expense of other citizens who don't need it.

    What you're saying is not "moderate", what you're saying is a non-hyper partisan democrat view of it. That they'd love not to need them, but we do and thus its acceptable to have the government try to fix it by taking from people what the government deems a "fair share" to instead shift it to the other people.

    Like I said, your stance is no more "centrist" or "moderate" than someone who says they really wish we didn't NEED to nation build or invade other countries, but because terrorism does affect us then we need to act pre-emptively to save peoples lives. Just because you wish what you support doesn't NEED to happen doesn't mean you're supporting it any less.
    Your opinion has been duly noted.

    The reason some people NEED these programs is because they haven't planned for a rainy day. Or they simply planned their retirement around SS and Medicare. People need to be worked off of the programs through either reducing the entitlements or raising the qualifying age... I'd especially like to see them raise the required age. But apparently seniors would rather see our deficit and debt raise before they would pay higher medical costs.

    And just look at BushCare Part D (Medicare Part D)... what a bunch of morons we have in office. If that doesn't show people how politicians didn't care about our deficits and instead cared about senior votes... nothing will. And all they still care about is votes. Why else would they add an entitlement to an already failing program? Where were the Tea Parties on this one?



    Quote Originally Posted by jacksbrat View Post
    More right wing propaganda that you believe. Social Security is not "taxing you to give to someone else". That's right wing propaganda. You're paying premiums on an insurance policy that you will benefit from later. No one collects social security that didn't pay premiums. They're collecting from their policy they payed into. The same with medicare.
    My money is going directly to lowering medical costs for seniors right now... and my kids will be paying taxes to reduce my medical bills when I turn 65... that is, if the program survives that long. I plan to be able to pay my bills without assistance, and if I can't afford to pay the medical bills to get better or the bills would put me or my family too far into debt, I will have no choice but to pass away peacefully. We all die eventually anyways. I'd prefer going in a way that isn't a burden on my kids.

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    Re: Media and Talk Radio? Bias, leaners or fair

    My money is going directly to lowering medical costs for seniors right now... and my kids will be paying taxes to reduce my medical bills when I turn 65... that is, if the program survives that long. I plan to be able to pay my bills without assistance, and if I can't afford to pay the medical bills to get better or the bills would put me or my family too far into debt, I will have no choice but to pass away peacefully. We all die eventually anyways. I'd prefer going in a way that isn't a burden on my kids.
    Sorry you have been miss-informed. You are believing right wing media propaganda. Is your auto insurance premiums being used to fix someone elses car? Medicare insurance premiums you are now paying is buying into an insurance plan that will help pay for your medical bills when you get sick. It's as simple as that. There is no government sinical plot to steal your money and give it to someone else. Sorry, that's just our "fair and balanced" media talking.

    http://www.medicare.org/index.php/medicare-basics

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    Re: Media and Talk Radio? Bias, leaners or fair

    Quote Originally Posted by jacksbrat View Post
    Sorry you have been miss-informed. You are believing right wing media propaganda. Is your auto insurance premiums being used to fix someone elses car? Medicare insurance premiums you are now paying is buying into an insurance plan that will help pay for your medical bills when you get sick. It's as simple as that. There is no government sinical plot to steal your money and give it to someone else. Sorry, that's just our "fair and balanced" media talking.

    Medicare Basics
    To your first question, yes. How else do you think insurance companies can pay the bills people rack up? Millions of people pay in while tens of thousands take out.

    It is not insurance... it's an entitlement. Insurance covers you in a freak incidents... Medicare is guaranteed to pay out if you reach the right age.

    I never said it was a plot to "steal" my money. Unless the programs are cut back and changed to make them sustainable, I want the option to opt out of them, because otherwise I'm paying into a system that wont be around when I'm old enough to reap the benefits.

    Don't even try to tell me right wing propaganda has gotten to me... I don't pay attention to that ****.
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    Re: Media and Talk Radio? Bias, leaners or fair

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    To your first question, yes. How else do you think insurance companies can pay the bills people rack up? Millions of people pay in while tens of thousands take out.

    It is not insurance... it's an entitlement. Insurance covers you in a freak incidents... Medicare is guaranteed to pay out if you reach the right age.

    I never said it was a plot to "steal" my money. Unless the programs are cut back and changed to make them sustainable, I want the option to opt out of them, because otherwise I'm paying into a system that wont be around when I'm old enough to reap the benefits.

    Don't even try to tell me right wing propaganda has gotten to me... I don't pay attention to that ****.
    First off, if you don't pay attention to right wing propaganda, why did you quote their falsehoods word for word? Medicare is an insurance plan. If you die at 65, or you live to 90 and never get sick and die of a heart attack, you recieve nothing for your premiums
    CMS Announces Medicare Premiums for 2010

    Medicare Basics

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