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Thread: Media and Talk Radio? Bias, leaners or fair

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    Re: Media and Talk Radio? Bias, leaners or fair

    Quote Originally Posted by jacksbrat View Post
    Anyone that thinks Fox is not 100% republican (right) hasn't listened with an open mind. Even their "news" slams Obama and the democrats. I don't know how farther "right" you can get. MSNBC is labeled "left" because it exposes their lies.
    So now Juan Williams, Bill O'Reilly(railed against Wall Street and the Oil companies), Wendell Goler, and Lis Wiel are all uber conservatives now? I must have missed the memo.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Media and Talk Radio? Bias, leaners or fair

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I have listened to them, as I have highly biased people on the Left.

    Few are the actual "extremes" of the ideology. IE your conservatives that are so far to the right that they're wanting every piece of government stripped down and are the bed down in a bunker type revolutionist. IE your liberals that are your ecoterrorists wanting to go back to a world that's akin to the middle ages or where the government literally controls and dictates everything.

    Extremely biased, sure. "Propoganda"? Depends on how you're wanting to use the word, sure. But the "extreme" wing of their particular ideology? Rarely.
    When they constantly say... "Obama is a Socialist who is going to take all your guns. He only wants to take all your money to make government bigger while destroying this country along with capitalism, our Republic System and some of the major industries in the country"... and acting as if it's a well known fact... that's propaganda.

    They use their opinions on current evens to try to prove the above statement is true.

    And from the way they talk it sounds like they want an uprising. I'm sure they would join in.

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    Re: Media and Talk Radio? Bias, leaners or fair

    Then you're letting your personal animosity, hatred, and biases play into how you're viewing them rather than viewing it objectively, which is not surprising the way you talk about them. While I can't speak for Beck I have heard first hand both Rush and Hannity talking about how we do NOT need a violent uprising but instead that republicans need to defeat the democrats at the ballot box, to have a revolution through voting, as has been done for over two hundred years. To say that they're advocating otherwise when they are clearly and fully stating contrary to what you're believing is dishonesty at its best and pure hate filled paranoia at worst.

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    Re: Media and Talk Radio? Bias, leaners or fair

    All media is biased, because all people have bias one way or another as far as politics goes. You can read a story and give facts, but each person giving them is always going to put their opinions in there. Just like here in DP. You have a story, and a hundred different views on that story. Media is no different. That is why it is important to listen and watch and get your news from all different sources, so that you can make up your mind for yourself on a subject and not just spout off what someone else has told you is fact.

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    Re: Media and Talk Radio? Bias, leaners or fair

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Then you're letting your personal animosity, hatred, and biases play into how you're viewing them rather than viewing it objectively, which is not surprising the way you talk about them. While I can't speak for Beck I have heard first hand both Rush and Hannity talking about how we do NOT need a violent uprising but instead that republicans need to defeat the democrats at the ballot box, to have a revolution through voting, as has been done for over two hundred years. To say that they're advocating otherwise when they are clearly and fully stating contrary to what you're believing is dishonesty at its best and pure hate filled paranoia at worst.
    Fair enough. Ignore the last part of my post... but my point about propaganda still stands.


    prop·a·gan·da

    1. information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.
    2. the deliberate spreading of such information, rumors, etc.
    3. the particular doctrines or principles propagated by an organization or movement.


    Considering Beck, Hannity, Rush and the likes are neither liberals nor even close to CENTER, I find it very hard to believe that they could possibly understand liberals or Democrats let alone their "true intentions". And yet they go around acting like they know liberals like the back of their hand and spread this information to the masses.

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    Re: Media and Talk Radio? Bias, leaners or fair

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post

    Considering Beck, Hannity, Rush and the likes are neither liberals nor even close to CENTER, [...].
    For a frame of reference:
    What exactly would you consider to be some centrist policies or stances?

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    Re: Media and Talk Radio? Bias, leaners or fair

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    For a frame of reference:
    What exactly would you consider to be some centrist policies or stances?
    I consider myself a moderate / centrist because I have both liberal and conservative viewpoints depending on the topic at hand.

    For example I am against Social Security and Medicare but I realize they do have a purpose in our current system. I don't like how people are taking my tax money and giving it to old people... but I am willing to pay my share to benefit the society I live in. I don't expect that I will need these programs when I retire, however I realize that not everyone is as lucky as I am; some people need these programs in order to survive and not put an unsustainable burden on their kids when they can't take care of themselves anymore.

    But I don't go around saying, "you old people are taking my hard earned money! FASCISTS! SOCIALISTS! COMMUNISTS!"



    I also am capable of holding an opinion while being tolerant of those with different viewpoints. I however cannot stand people who insult and demonize groups with different opinions, labeling them as the "enemy". This goes for people from all sides. We are all Americans and all want what's best for our country and world... for the most part at least. We just have different ideas of how to most benefit our community.
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    Re: Media and Talk Radio? Bias, leaners or fair

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    Fair enough. Ignore the last part of my post... but my point about propaganda still stands.
    I don't disagree with your use of propoganda, but as I said it depends on how people use it.

    SOME people use Propoganda as something that means literally that its being put out and sponsored by said group. If someone said "Rush Limbaugh is spreading propoganda about the GOP's purposes" then yeah...I'd agree, Rush Limbaugh generally spreads information, ideas, and rumors in hopes of helping Republicans. If someone said "Rush Limbaugh is a propogandist of the GOP" I'd generally disagree, because that tends to mean they're implying he's somehow paid or in cohorts with the GOP in some kind of official way.

    Its much the same thing with Fox. Fox likely broadcasts propoganda, perhaps more than some other news sources. I wouldn't say that's a flawed argument. However people who claim Fox is the "propoganda arm of the GOP" would be making an asinine accusation and point in that case.

    Which was my whole point with your use of Propoganda. Some use the literal definition, others mean it as a more direct relationship between those speaking it and those it benefits.

    Considering Beck, Hannity, Rush and the likes are neither liberals nor even close to CENTER, I find it very hard to believe that they could possibly understand liberals or Democrats let alone their "true intentions".
    So being someone that claims to be a moderate, you could never understand someone that is not moderate nor their intentions?

    I think this is a rather naive way to think, to believe that one must BE something to have a grasp of understanding about it.

    For example I am against Social Security and Medicare but I realize they do have a purpose in our current system. I don't like how people are taking my tax money and giving it to old people... but I am willing to pay my share to benefit the society I live in. I don't expect that I will need these programs when I retire, however I realize that not everyone is as lucky as I am; some people need these programs in order to survive and not put an unsustainable burden on their kids when they can't take care of themselves anymore.
    This is not a moderate, this is not a centrist, this is a Democrat who isn't so staunch in his ideology that he can't question WHY things are done but ultimately agrees with them being done.

    Nothing in there is conservative, nothing in there is centrist and having "right and left" leaning views. You think there should be Social Security, you think there should be Medicare, you think people should be taxed to give that money to someone else, and think that the government should dictate your "fair share" that you can give up to help others.

    Just because you don't mindlessly go along with your ideology and the end result doesn't make you centrist or a "moderate"...perhaps a moderate liberal on the scale of liberalism but not a strict "moderate" as its so often used.

    If you think Abortion is murder and its a bad thing...but you are fine with government funding abortion and making it legal for a variety of justifications you're not "centrist". If you think in general we should have a small military and not be world police, but terrorists are really dangerous and we have to act before they get us so you support the pre-emptive attacks on other countries who harbor terrorist, that isn't "moderate" just because you give it some thought to the contrary before hand.

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    Re: Media and Talk Radio? Bias, leaners or fair

    Quote Originally Posted by jacksbrat View Post
    And why is something that is "state-run" have to be "left".
    Which side traditionally seeks to perpetuate government? The left.
    Quote Originally Posted by jacksbrat View Post
    I'd believe it to be the center.
    Considering what else you believe, I'm not the least bit surprised.
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    Someone with no agenda should be center.
    There is no such person or entity.

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    Re: Media and Talk Radio? Bias, leaners or fair

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So being someone that claims to be a moderate, you could never understand someone that is not moderate nor their intentions?

    I think this is a rather naive way to think, to believe that one must BE something to have a grasp of understanding about it.
    Yes I can understand other people's opinions. Perhaps more so than some. I always try to keep an open mind. Like I said I have both liberal and conservative views, so I can often times relate to their views or opinions... or at the very least understand where they are coming from.


    Some things I can't understand are:
    I can't understand why some liberals are OK with abortions.
    I can't understand why conservatives, or rather a more broader group of people, are against gay marriage / divorce / gays adopting / etc.
    I can't understand how some conservatives want to lower taxes but also want to reduce the deficit while also not cutting money from Social Security, Medicare and the military budget. Doesn't make any sense to me at all...
    I can't understand why some liberals are OK with illegal immigrants coming into the U.S.


    From what I've witnessed, Beck doesn't understand truly why some liberals are against everyone paying the same percentage of income tax.
    Or why they want him to pay more in taxes.
    Or why they are against the Middle East wars.
    Or why they are in favor of Universal Health Care.
    Or why they truly hate him, Sarah Palin, Hannity and Rush so much.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    This is not a moderate, this is not a centrist, this is a Democrat who isn't so staunch in his ideology that he can't question WHY things are done but ultimately agrees with them being done.

    Nothing in there is conservative, nothing in there is centrist and having "right and left" leaning views. You think there should be Social Security, you think there should be Medicare, you think people should be taxed to give that money to someone else, and think that the government should dictate your "fair share" that you can give up to help others.
    Perhaps I didn't explain my view well enough.

    I would love for those programs to end... I'd love for people to not need these programs anymore... but unfortunately there are people who are either unwilling or unable to let cuts be made to the programs. And I am concerned about the people who are unable to let cuts happen, because they are in a position where they need these programs to survive.
    Last edited by Jucon; 04-27-10 at 06:35 PM.

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