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Thread: Arizona New Enforcement Immigration Bill Passed & Signed

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    Re: Arizona New Enforcement Immigration Bill Passed & Signed

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    How many arrested Mexican-Americans will it take to bring down this law with lawsuits?

    Probably only one. The Arizona lawyers will be looking for that one.

    We can't fine the employers of illegals because they claim to not be experts in the immigration field. But now, the police are expected to be the experts? No, not experts, just arrest Mexicans. You'll be excused for the ones you get wrong by the laws of Arizona. This will never last.
    man like 2 weeks ago some Mexican American got arrested and got deported to Mexico because he looked illegal in this country. Now think about the new immigration law that might effect a lot worse then it is now.
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    Re: Arizona New Enforcement Immigration Bill Passed & Signed

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I support the idea but feel it will be found unconstitutional and will never take affect.

    A serious question to those against such laws. How would you remove illegal immigrants from the US? Obviously to do so you have to prove they are not legal US citizens. How can we achieve this unless we ask people to prove they are here lawfully? I dont think illegals will voluntarily notify the authorities. I see no easy solution, someone is going to get rubbed the wrong way if action is taken.
    I wouldn't want to remove anyone from the US who wanted to live here. The fact that there are so many "illegals" is a result of our overly strong and discriminatory immigration laws, and the fact that many poor Mexicans and other Latin Americans simply aren't in the financial position to go through the process of immigrating legally. If people want to come to this country we should take that as a compliment and assurance that the ideals we aspire to are ones that appeal to people all over the world. We should remember two things, that all Americans are descended from immigrants however distantly it may be, and that without people who fall under the more standard definition of immigrant (groups like the Irish, Germans, Italians, Eastern Europeans, Asians, and others that came in big waves) this country would be nothing like what it is today and I believe it would be worse off.

    So... I guess the shorter way to say that is I would support amnesty for illegal immigrants way before I supported some kind of systematic mass deportation.

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    Re: Arizona New Enforcement Immigration Bill Passed & Signed

    Quote Originally Posted by jr602az View Post
    man like 2 weeks ago some Mexican American got arrested and got deported to Mexico because he looked illegal in this country. Now think about the new immigration law that might effect a lot worse then it is now.
    Is there a Link to that story?
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    Re: Arizona New Enforcement Immigration Bill Passed & Signed

    Quote Originally Posted by jr602az View Post
    man like 2 weeks ago some Mexican American got arrested and got deported to Mexico because he looked illegal in this country. Now think about the new immigration law that might effect a lot worse then it is now.
    It reminds me of Cheech Marin's movie: Born in East LA.
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    Re: Arizona New Enforcement Immigration Bill Passed & Signed

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Is there a Link to that story?
    naw, i heard from one of my family members.
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    Re: Arizona New Enforcement Immigration Bill Passed & Signed

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    It reminds me of Cheech Marin's movie: Born in East LA.
    I remember that movie.His character was asked who is the president and he responded with "that guy from that cowboy movie(or something similar to it, its been a few decades since I seen it).
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Arizona New Enforcement Immigration Bill Passed & Signed

    Quote Originally Posted by jr602az View Post
    naw, i heard from one of my family members.
    So there is no evidence that such a thing occurred.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Arizona New Enforcement Immigration Bill Passed & Signed

    Quote Originally Posted by Pal View Post
    I wouldn't want to remove anyone from the US who wanted to live here. The fact that there are so many "illegals" is a result of our overly strong and discriminatory immigration laws, and the fact that many poor Mexicans and other Latin Americans simply aren't in the financial position to go through the process of immigrating legally. If people want to come to this country we should take that as a compliment and assurance that the ideals we aspire to are ones that appeal to people all over the world. We should remember two things, that all Americans are descended from immigrants however distantly it may be, and that without people who fall under the more standard definition of immigrant (groups like the Irish, Germans, Italians, Eastern Europeans, Asians, and others that came in big waves) this country would be nothing like what it is today and I believe it would be worse off.

    So... I guess the shorter way to say that is I would support amnesty for illegal immigrants way before I supported some kind of systematic mass deportation.
    Poor mexicans that can pay coyotes thousands of dollars to bring them across? Not sure what it costs to come in legally. I doubt it is as much as they pay the smuggler. Seems they could use the money for better things.
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    Re: Arizona New Enforcement Immigration Bill Passed & Signed

    Quote Originally Posted by Pal View Post
    It's disgusting. This law is going to promote racial profiling and is going to trample on the civil rights of many, whether they're illegal or not. The law says a policeman can detain anyone he suspects to be an illegal if they can't provide proof of legal US residency. Imagine an American citizen being detained because they didn't happen to be carrying any ID, simply because some cop thought they looked Mexican. It's disgusting. Hopefully some of this legal action that's being taken will do something about it.
    I can not only imagine it, it happens every day to any one that doesn't have ID and the cops want to know who you are, and they can hold you for 72 hrs. until they do find out who you are.

    Those that are crying about profiling and racism, you have spent those cards for too long... the account is over drawn and no longer will those cards be honored.
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    Re: Arizona New Enforcement Immigration Bill Passed & Signed

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    It reminds me of Cheech Marin's movie: Born in East LA.
    Where do you think he got this story?
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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