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  • Yes they should be able to favor one religion in a divorce dispute

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  • Each parent should be allowed to expose the child to their respective faiths

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  • The court should butt out of disputes of a religious nature

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  • The parents should have thought of this ahead of time.

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    Re: Should a divorce court be able to forbid one parent to take a child to church?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post


    He is an opinionated child who feels strongly about everything, whether he understands it or not. That is just his personality.
    Wow man. You have my deepest sympathies for the next few years. Get to thinking positively.
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    Re: Should a divorce court be able to forbid one parent to take a child to church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    The man is Jewish. He became Jewish when they were married. He was Jewish when they divorced. He's just trying to cause trouble for his ex = bad man, not sincere, etc.

    Why am I the only one that can see this?
    Maybe he is Jewish, maybe not. It is irrelevant. Even if he is Jewish and wants to expose his child to Hinduism, it is his right to attend Hindu services and take his children. The fact that it is supposedly 'causing trouble for his ex' is not his problem. Maybe it upsets her. Maybe he knows it upsets her. Maybe not, on all counts. One thing is certain though: IT SHOULDN'T UPSET HER AND IF IT DOES IT IS HER PROBLEM TO WORK THROUGH. Once she does that, and even if he is doing it to upset her, it won't, and there won't be a problem.

    Suppose for the moment that his conversion back to Catholicism is sincere. You are proposing to make the Judge, well, the judge of that. Think about that: The Judge gets to decide whether his profession of religion is sincere, so that he can judge whether the guy can expose his kids to the faith he professes. I have a problem with a Judge judging whether someone's profession of faith is sincere, because a Judge is incapable of doing so.

    Really, this is one of the reasons we have separation of Church and State, after all.

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    Re: Should a divorce court be able to forbid one parent to take a child to church?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Wow man. You have my deepest sympathies for the next few years. Get to thinking positively.
    He gets it from his mom. Her strong will is one of the things that attracts me to her.
    Last edited by tacomancer; 04-26-10 at 12:42 PM.

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    Re: Should a divorce court be able to forbid one parent to take a child to church?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    The State should butt out, and each parent, during their time with their child, should be free to include their child in their worship activities.
    But the state can't butt out. The state has been asked to settle this dispute. If they didn't want the court involved, they shouldn't have gone to court for a divorce.

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    Re: Should a divorce court be able to forbid one parent to take a child to church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    The man is Jewish. He became Jewish when they were married. He was Jewish when they divorced. He's just trying to cause trouble for his ex = bad man, not sincere, etc.

    Why am I the only one that can see this?
    Jewish is not a legal status, dude. Only he can decide if he's Jewish or not.

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    Re: Should a divorce court be able to forbid one parent to take a child to church?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    But the state can't butt out. The state has been asked to settle this dispute. If they didn't want the court involved, they shouldn't have gone to court for a divorce.
    The state is being asked to facilitate the divorce. When one party to the divorce said "I want you to bar my husband from taking the children to religious services of his choice", the state should have said "We're not butting in to that matter of your divorce. Work that out amongst yourselves." And, now that they have mistakenly butted in, they should butt back out.

    I would go so far as to say that the Judge should dismiss any charges of contempt, on the basis of the first amendment.

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    Re: Should a divorce court be able to forbid one parent to take a child to church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Not to mention he might be hearing that at school or on television. Thinking that a 5 year old can make that decision on his own is beyond ridiculous. They're not little adults. They're KIDS.
    No, many kids are firmly committed to their belief in Santa Claus.

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    Re: Should a divorce court be able to forbid one parent to take a child to church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    The state is being asked to facilitate the divorce. When one party to the divorce said "I want you to bar my husband from taking the children to religious services of his choice", the state should have said "We're not butting in to that matter of your divorce. Work that out amongst yourselves."
    But that apparently didn't work. They can't work it out. That's why they got divorced in the first place.

    You're assuming that the right answer to this question is that each parent has the right to raise the child by his/her religion. That's what we're debating in the first place.

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    Re: Should a divorce court be able to forbid one parent to take a child to church?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    What's your opinion? Here's the story:

    Divorce Battle: Joseph Reyes Pleads Not Guilty For Taking Daughter to Church - ABC News

    The parents are getting divorced and the wife is Jewish, the husband Catholic. The mother wants the child raised Jewish, the husband, not previously devout, got the little girl baptized, the mother got a restraining order, yada yada...
    This is very interesting. I do think this is over the top. You can't leave a 3-year-old home alone. So he's expected to stay home from church or get a babysitter, or put his daughter in some kind of day care the church offers (assuming it offers one) when he has custody of his child that weekend? That seems to be a problem, if you ask me.

    My husband is Jewish. I was a practicing Catholic when we got engaged. We read several books about interfaith marriages. The books we read provided that kids didn't like being exposed to two religions. They worried that one parent would be mad at them if they chose the religion of the other parent. Some kids complained that they were so busy going to Temple on Friday's and Church on Sundays that they felt they had no time to hang out with friends and play sports. So we decided to raise any children we had Jewish, and that was a tough decision for me. (I'm atheist now.) So I sort of see the perspective of the mother in this case. If they agreed to raise their child a certain religion, I would feel betrayed if my separated husband changed his mind almost to spite me. I dunno.

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    Re: Should a divorce court be able to forbid one parent to take a child to church?

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    My husband is Jewish. I was a practicing Catholic when we got engaged. We read several books about interfaith marriages. The books we read provided that kids didn't like being exposed to two religions. They worried that one parent would be mad at them if they chose the religion of the other parent.
    Really? That's weird. I think lots of kids do just fine with two faiths. I imagine that would only happen if both parents are really intense about their religions - and those kind of people probably don't marry outside their faith much anyway.

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