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  • Yes they should be able to favor one religion in a divorce dispute

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  • Each parent should be allowed to expose the child to their respective faiths

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  • The court should butt out of disputes of a religious nature

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Thread: Should a divorce court be able to forbid one parent to take a child to church?

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    Re: Should a divorce court be able to forbid one parent to take a child to church?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I think that each parent should be able to take the child to his/her church when the child is in the care of said parent.

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I totally agree. Both parents knew they were marrying, having sexual relations, and having a child with someone from a different faith tradition. Being adults, they have the responsibility to realize that a person, if not now devout, could easily return to their original faith.

    The Jewish religion says that a child born of a Jewish woman is a Jew. The Catholic religion demands that a child of a mixed marriage should be raised Catholic.

    The State should butt out, and each parent, during their time with their child, should be free to include their child in their worship activities.

    That pretty much covers it. They should have thought about this before they had a child, and figured out how they were going to handle it. Now that they're divorced, each has as much right to teach the child about their own faith as the other.

    State, butt out.

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    Re: Should a divorce court be able to forbid one parent to take a child to church?

    From the article:
    The couple married in 2004. Joseph Reyes was Catholic, but he converted to Judaism to please his in-laws. He has said the decision wasn't "voluntary."
    He can claim conversion to Judaism by force all day long. It's not going to get him out of the trouble that he has made for himself. The restraining order was in effect at the time, barring him from bringing the child to a Catholic Church.

    It's a a no-brainer from a legal standpoint. Was the court right in issuing the restraining order?


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    Re: Should a divorce court be able to forbid one parent to take a child to church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    From the article:
    He can claim conversion to Judaism by force all day long. It's not going to get him out of the trouble that he has made for himself. The restraining order was in effect at the time, barring him from bringing the child to a Catholic Church.

    It's a a no-brainer from a legal standpoint. Was the court right in issuing the restraining order?


    YES.
    No. The court was not in the right.

    They never should put a restraining order on the father for such a stupid reason.
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    Re: Should a divorce court be able to forbid one parent to take a child to church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Kids shouldn't be in charge.
    You don't have to put someone in charge in order to respect them.

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    Re: Should a divorce court be able to forbid one parent to take a child to church?

    For the most part, the court should butt out. However, if the Judge finds that one parent is attempting to undermine the other parent (by making fun of or otherwise disparaging the faith of the other parent, for example) that parent should be held in contempt of court.

    I agree with the people who've said this child is being used as a weapon, and that is what the Judge should be trying to put a stop to.

    The parents should evaluate whether they sincerely hold their own beliefs, and if so then move forward with exposing the child to those beliefs with the aim of allowing the child to choose its own path when it is able. What horrible parents they both are, and they should be ashamed.

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    Re: Should a divorce court be able to forbid one parent to take a child to church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    From the article:
    He can claim conversion to Judaism by force all day long. It's not going to get him out of the trouble that he has made for himself. The restraining order was in effect at the time, barring him from bringing the child to a Catholic Church.

    It's a a no-brainer from a legal standpoint. Was the court right in issuing the restraining order?


    YES.
    All of this is irrelevant. Suppose he converts to Lutheranism, now. He has every right to expose his child to that new faith, just as she has the right to expose the child to a faith the father no longer agrees with. There is NO guarantee that your spouse is going to remain the faith you started your marriage with, nor should there be.

    All of the legal mistakes in this case seem to stem from that misguided and untrue assumption.

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    Re: Should a divorce court be able to forbid one parent to take a child to church?

    The man is Jewish. He became Jewish when they were married. He was Jewish when they divorced. He's just trying to cause trouble for his ex = bad man, not sincere, etc.

    Why am I the only one that can see this?
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    Re: Should a divorce court be able to forbid one parent to take a child to church?

    I'm trying to figure out how this ruling is even legal, considering freedom of religion under the first pretty much invalidates it. While it sucks that the child is not only facing the realities of a divorce and what comes with that, now a holy war has been added. The court however has no legal authority to rule that the father has no right to take his child to a christian church unless he doesn't have custody during that period. In my opinion that judge needs to either be censured and the ruling invalidated or outright removal and the judgement invalidated.
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    Re: Should a divorce court be able to forbid one parent to take a child to church?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    What's your opinion? Here's the story:

    Divorce Battle: Joseph Reyes Pleads Not Guilty For Taking Daughter to Church - ABC News

    The parents are getting divorced and the wife is Jewish, the husband Catholic. The mother wants the child raised Jewish, the husband, not previously devout, got the little girl baptized, the mother got a restraining order, yada yada...
    Theists are funny.

    But no, the court should stay the hell away from this one.
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    Re: Should a divorce court be able to forbid one parent to take a child to church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    The man is Jewish. He became Jewish when they were married. He was Jewish when they divorced. He's just trying to cause trouble for his ex = bad man, not sincere, etc.

    Why am I the only one that can see this?
    Well, you, and the Jewish Judge who ruled in his favor...and everyone else who've already been around this story a few times...

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