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    Re: Dictionaries no NOT contain factual information

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    .... Using the dictionary to validate pro-life positions is getting quite old.

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    ."How dare you use a dictionary to prove facts."
    There I fixed it for you.

    Besides how many times has an abortionist reminded a pro-lifer that abortion is not murder since it is legal or that murder is a legal technical term?
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    Re: Dictionaries no NOT contain factual information

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    There I fixed it for you.

    Besides how many times has an abortionist reminded a pro-lifer that abortion is not murder since it is legal or that murder is a legal technical term?
    Wow are you really this deficient in logic? If we are having a discussion and you say 'abortion is murder' and I explain to you the legal definitions for both and how they differ - THUS SHOWING THAT WHEN USED IN THE SAME CONTEXT, THEY ARE NOT THE SAME - how are the situations REMOTELY comparable to you using whatever definition matches your understanding of what a birth is? You know what? Why don't you pick up a dictionary and tell us all how birth and conception are the same thing?
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    Re: Dictionaries no NOT contain factual information

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Wow are you really this deficient in logic? If we are having a discussion and you say 'abortion is murder' and I explain to you the legal definitions for both and how they differ - THUS SHOWING THAT WHEN USED IN THE SAME CONTEXT, THEY ARE NOT THE SAME - how are the situations REMOTELY comparable to you using whatever definition matches your understanding of what a birth is? You know what? Why don't you pick up a dictionary and tell us all how birth and conception are the same thing?
    Using definitions to prove abortion is not murder somehow different than using definitions to prove a fetus is a baby or child? In other words how you going wine about someone using a dictionary to prove their position when you do the same thing?
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    Re: Dictionaries no NOT contain factual information

    Is that what this thread is about? Abortion?

    No, you can't go settling abortion debates with a dictionary. A common dictionary isn't a legal or philisophical dictionary. The whole point of an abortion debate is that people disagree about the definition of a word - in other words, nobody has agreed on the meaning in that context, including people who write dictionaries.

    Arguing by dictionary is completely absurd.

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    Re: Dictionaries no NOT contain factual information

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Is that what this thread is about? Abortion?

    No, you can't go settling abortion debates with a dictionary. A common dictionary isn't a legal or philisophical dictionary. The whole point of an abortion debate is that people disagree about the definition of a word - in other words, nobody has agreed on the meaning in that context, including people who write dictionaries.

    Arguing by dictionary is completely absurd.
    I was under the impression that the whole point of an abortion debate is debating abortion, not whether or not Dictionary.com or Websters dictionary is wrong or right.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Dictionaries no NOT contain factual information

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I was under the impression that the whole point of an abortion debate is debating abortion, not whether or not Dictionary.com or Websters dictionary is wrong or right.
    Me too. Unfortunately, some people think dictionary writers sat down and decided whether abortion was right or wrong and put it in the dictionary.

    Settling debates with dictionaries rarely works past 3rd grade.

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    Cool Re: Dictionaries no NOT contain factual information

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I stand by what I said. For a dictionary to be useful, the definitions within it must reflect current usage of words. While those usages might be agreed on by large groups of people, they're still subjective.

    However, I will concede that the definitions of some words seem to be pretty much fixed, and don't seem to change over time.
    Your claim was;

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    ,... Dictionaries do NOT contain factual information. They contain subjective definitions of words that can (and do) change over time.
    Do you still hold this view?

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    Re: Dictionaries no NOT contain factual information

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Your claim was;



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    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
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    Re: Dictionaries no NOT contain factual information

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Me too. Unfortunately, some people think dictionary writers sat down and decided whether abortion was right or wrong and put it in the dictionary.

    Settling debates with dictionaries rarely works past 3rd grade.
    However if you are going to claim what something means then a dictionary is the perfect source.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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