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    Re: Dictionaries no NOT contain factual information

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    Re: Dictionaries no NOT contain factual information

    I stand by what I said. For a dictionary to be useful, the definitions within it must reflect current usage of words. While those usages might be agreed on by large groups of people, they're still subjective.

    However, I will concede that the definitions of some words seem to be pretty much fixed, and don't seem to change over time.
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    Re: Dictionaries no NOT contain factual information

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I stand by what I said. For a dictionary to be useful, the definitions within it must reflect current usage of words. While those usages might be agreed on by large groups of people, they're still subjective.

    However, I will concede that the definitions of some words seem to be pretty much fixed, and don't seem to change over time.
    Over enough time, all words change. That's the nature of language and the reason there are so many languages.
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    Re: Dictionaries no NOT contain factual information

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Over enough time, all words change. That's the nature of language and the reason there are so many languages.
    My point is that words (and their definitions) don't define what a thing IS. Therefore, dictionary definitions aren't factual information. Since the OP took my original post out of context, I'll use it as an example.

    He was making the argument in the abortion forum that a human embryo, zygote, or fetus is a child for the sole reason that a medical dictionary lists something like "an unborn fetus" as one of the definitions of the word "child".

    My counter argument was that just because a dictionary calls something by a certain name does not mean that it is that thing. That's why I still say that dictionaries don't contain factual information. Dictionaries tell us a lot about what things are called, and how society uses language, but that's it. They aren't a source of facts.
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    Re: Dictionaries no NOT contain factual information

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Over enough time, all words change. That's the nature of language and the reason there are so many languages.
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    Re: Dictionaries no NOT contain factual information

    Words have meanings that are fairly absolute. However, one must always remember that the meaning of a word is dependent on the context of what is being discussed and on words around it.
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    Re: Dictionaries no NOT contain factual information

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Words have meanings that are fairly absolute. However, one must always remember that the meaning of a word is dependent on the context of what is being discussed and on words around it.
    There is a denotation and a connotation

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    Re: Dictionaries no NOT contain factual information

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Looks like an interesting poll question.

    Dictionaries do NOT contain factual information

    A: True

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    If you mean factual information as in factual definitions of words then dictionaries do contain facts.
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    .... Using the dictionary to validate pro-life positions is getting quite old.
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    Re: Dictionaries no NOT contain factual information

    There are TWO kinds of dictionaries.

    Descriptive - simply follows the meanings that are in use by speakers of the language
    Prescriptive - tries to be an authority on what words should mean.

    As for "factual" that word means information that is in the nature of a fact. It doesn't mean true or false. A fact can be false.

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