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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    This is one more reason why we should have a living wage. You clean crap daily? You should make a lot of money doing it. What is wrong with this picture when pencil pushers make more than someone breaking their backs doing maunal labor? I say it is not fair.
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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    This is one more reason why we should have a living wage. You clean crap daily? You should make a lot of money doing it. What is wrong with this picture when pencil pushers make more than someone breaking their backs doing maunal labor? I say it is not fair.
    Anyone can clean up crap, it takes absolutely no skill. You don't have to go to school, or even know how to read to clean up crap.

    Some manual labor is highly skilled. I used to work in a cabinet shop before I got into the medical field, and I did quite well, and was highly skilled and worth every dollar I was paid because of my skills.

    If you want to make a living wage, you have to learn a trade, not just get a job that anyone can do.

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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    This is one more reason why we should have a living wage. You clean crap daily? You should make a lot of money doing it. What is wrong with this picture when pencil pushers make more than someone breaking their backs doing maunal labor? I say it is not fair.
    what is a wage? It is a payment for a commodity that companies need-labor. A wage should be high enough to obtain the quantity and quality of the labor it needs. This living wage crap is just that. If one can hire a toilet cleaner for 2 dollars an hour that is what a company should pay for toilet cleaners. If someone cannot live on that wage, they should find a line of work that commands a salary they can live on



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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    No. Smarter work.

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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I would probably react that way too, but I am a fairly ambitious person.

    However, at the textile mill I work at, I know plenty of people who work hard for the sake of working hard and never aspire to even being a supervisor. Many only make 10 or 11 an hour, but they tend to be happy people.
    The people that make the most money usually don't work as hard as those below them, but they experience higher levels of stress. Hard work is a known stress reliever. Those that work hard are usually happier and less likely to have a heart attack.
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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    Pay is determined by supply and demand. Of course once you have the job you need to do the work, which may or may not be "hard", but hard work in and of itself doesn't lead to high or low pay. It doesn't really matter at all.
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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Intelligence comes about by luck?
    Ummm, yes, for the most part. Your potential level of intelligence is established long before YOU can make a conscious choice about changing it. I know you THINK you've chosen to be a genius, but you are sadly mistaken.



    Education comes about by luck?

    Odd.
    Actually, not odd at all. There are millions of people born into families and neighborhoods that don't care about education. Some groups even ridicule anyone who tries to rise above their birth. Once these individuals are able to establish their own fate, they are often too ignorant to even know where to begin to pull themselves out of their situation, and/or they make choices that lock them into it.


    It is so ingrained in our social schema that stupidity is to be ridiculed that we come to think that it is self-evident that it is the person's fault that they are stupid. This is reinforced by the fragility of our own egos. After all, we are superior because we choose to be smarter than that guy. And so forth.

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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Pay is determined by supply and demand. Of course once you have the job you need to do the work, which may or may not be "hard", but hard work in and of itself doesn't lead to high or low pay. It doesn't really matter at all.
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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Does hard work always lead to a higher income?

    The reason I ask this is that I see a lot of people assuming that people with a low income are lazy.
    Nope, you can work very hard and not make it anywhere. And that becomes more and more true as we further embrace this corporate capitalism and get away from free market capitalism. We've frozen economic mobility, it's exceedingly difficult to rise up out of the lower income brackets these days. It's also exceedingly difficult to fall from the top most bracket down. But in economies with real economic freedom both are possible and both are necessary to keep only the best at the top. The poor should be able to become rich, the rich should be able to become poor; and they all should be held accountable for their own actions.
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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Superior athletes are typically found when native talent meets hard work, sweat and discipline.
    So are you attempting to deny that there is a difference between natural abilities? You really want to argue that the only difference between Magic Johnson and YOU is that he worked harder at basketball than you?

    You can have tons of natural talent, but if you don't work to develop it to the max, you will not reach the top of your field or even go very far in it.
    Oh ok, so you're NOT going to deny the luck of having natural talent or not?

    Intelligence is similar. You're born with a certain upper limit, but reaching whatever your maximum potential may be, is up to you.
    So you're going to deny differences in natural abilities?
    I wish you could make up your mind.

    Um...huh?

    I know lots of parents, including working-poor parents, who make an effort to find out the quality of the local school district before buying or renting a house, and it factors into their decision.

    Many parents, if they can afford it, send their kids to private schools. (Vouchers anyone?)

    Not so much luck, as a continuation of whatever the family's habits/traditions on education of their children might be.
    "Not so much..."? So, you think a 6 year old has a say in what school he/she goes to or, to the 6 year old, is it luck based on their parents choices?

    Then there's the matter of how much you get out of school, being related to how much you put in. Yeah, "luck" (or factors beyond your control, to be more precise) is a factor, but a good bit of it IS up to you.

    Then there is college, which is really where you make or break your educational level... and people do choose where they go to college to a large degree.
    So you do admit there is luck involved...

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