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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    However, at the textile mill I work at, I know plenty of people who work hard for the sake of working hard and never aspire to even being a supervisor.
    I have a hard job that requires an education, so I do work hard, but am paid adequately for it (imo). I have been in management positions, but I like being a worker bee better. I like to focus on doing my job well and feeling like I am being somewhat productive and good at my job.
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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Because it your hidden intent showed, otherwise you would have just asked this:
    I have asked that before and all I have gotten in response is a lot of hand waving. Sometimes you have to ask a question in a backwards or unexpected manner to get the kind of honest discussion you intend. Given the high number of honest and well thought out responses, I would say that I was at least moderately successful.
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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    What is so messed up? The hardest jobs seem to pay the less
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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Assume
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    Farmers are very hard workers, they must be.
    The Amish are prime examples.
    But to those who "think" or ass*u*me that those poor people that they see are lazy....... I'd take for neighbors any day the poor people over the holier than thou snobs....
    Laziness strikes all , I wish I knew why..
    I am not sure I completely agree with the bold part. (the rest of it I am ok with). I am a fairly lazy person who probably puts in around 3.5 hours on a given workday and I spend the rest of the time goofing off. However, during my last review I got pretty much the highest marks a person can get short of revolutionizing a business unit. Also, I am up for a pretty hefty promotion right now and I have a better than 50% chance of getting it (I will know by the end of next week). But I tend to be naturally good at eliminating nonvalue added steps in my job and only work on the things that actually get work done. My real motivation though is that I like to play more than I like to work.
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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    I think most of the responses are very thoughtful, here. It has been pointed out that working smart in conjunction with working hard is the ticket toward greater income.


    The one thing that makes me crazy is that everyone acts as if lower intelligence is the fault of the person with said intelligence level, and that being smart is somehow a thing that they have accomplished themselves. Some smart people act as if it is their birthright to be rewarded for their intelligence, as if they did something to achieve that intelligence.

    While I agree that we must reward people for getting an education and thereby being able to offer more to the economic system, I don't agree that people who are less intelligent deserve to be poor. Innate intelligence is the luck of the draw, after all.

    It might even be the case that we can't have any other system but one where the slow are somewhat poor, but let's not excuse ourselves by making it out that they deserve it.

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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Does hard work always lead to a higher income?
    Applying yourself can lead you to a higher income.
    That involves a lot more than additional strenuous physical labor.

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    The reason I ask this is that I see a lot of people assuming that people with a low income are lazy.
    Depends on what you define as low income.
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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    What is so messed up? The hardest jobs seem to pay the less
    not really true. Jobs that are easily filled pay less than ones that have fewer qualified applicants. It is easy to be qualified to be a ditch digger, a school teacher, a convenience store operator, a cab driver, or a IT specialist.

    It is far harder to say consistently throw a baseball 100 MPH within a two foot circle or consistently make 25 foot jump shots with Kobe Bryant hanging on you. Its also difficult to find someone who can successfully argue cases to the Supreme Court or perform brain surgery on aggressive tumors.



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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    I agree that the word "always" makes it an automatic "no". Do ditch diggers work harder than lawyers? Who defines "hard work"? Is it physical labor? Mental challenges?


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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    So then why do cons automatically go straight to "lazy" when talking about poor people? Doesn't the fact that you have to answer "no" to the poll prove that the bull**** about working hard and getting ahead is just that? There is also luck which seems to be a bigger factor than working hard.

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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    Not all hard work leads to economic success. There are many factors that also contribute to it, such as intelligence, discernment, opportunity, economics, social skills, timing, luck, fate, education, family ties, accidents of birth, etc etc

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