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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Depends on where you start. If you're born into money, lack of hard work will probably have no effect. If you're born into regular society, then yes you're dooming yourself to low income.
    Money you are born into is not the kind of income being considered here, especially since most of us here weren't born into wealth.....
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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Not necessarily. Some people never work a day in their life and do just fine. They are born into money or marry into it.
    Good thing he didn't say "always"

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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Does hard work always lead to a higher income?

    The reason I ask this is that I see a lot of people assuming that people with a low income are lazy.
    Nope. Smarter work.

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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Harder when talking in the sense of jobs is a multifaceted word.

    Sure, physicality can play into it. One could say the ditch digger has a harder job than the janitor but the pro-football player has the harder job than either because the physical demands are so great.

    Physicality. Hours. Time it takes to even learn the skills for the job. The difficulty, possibly in time/money/intelligence/experience, to get into the position. The stress said position places upon you. The intelligence needed. The risk associated with it both financially and physically.

    All these things play into it.

    Physically, a ditch digger on any particular day is working far harder than a brain surgeon.

    When comparing the two however in a more overall view, the Brain Surgeon sacrifices likely 10 years of his life to study and score high enough to continue his education, all the while putting himself in large amount of debt.
    While the ditch digger grinds out physical labor for those 10 years all the while hoping to stay healthy enough to cover his bills.

    To then have to do a job that daily requires him to recall multitude of in depth and high level information learned over multiple years in which peoples lives can literally, directly, hang in very balance of his hands.
    Sounds like worship to me. But the surgeon is just an academic with no real world working experience running a company so he must not be worth such praise.
    To have dealt with years of extremely long hours, little sleep, and the knowledge that any mistake could potentially cost him not just his job but his financial security.
    Sounds like you are talking about the ditch digger but I can't be sure...

    With all that, yeah, I could say that a Brain Surgeon that is doing his job as exemplary as a Ditch Digger is doing his job is works harder than said ditch digger in an overall sense. Not physically, but over all definitely.
    I would disagree based on my rebuttals.

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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Anyone can clean up crap, it takes absolutely no skill. You don't have to go to school, or even know how to read to clean up crap.

    Some manual labor is highly skilled. I used to work in a cabinet shop before I got into the medical field, and I did quite well, and was highly skilled and worth every dollar I was paid because of my skills.

    If you want to make a living wage, you have to learn a trade, not just get a job that anyone can do.
    Any and all jobs require a skill and not everybody can do just any job. You are incorrect in saying anyone can clean up crap.

    You have to be able to read and understand directions if you wish to be able to do most jobs in a safe manner. This stuff about anybody can do any certain job is crap and all people should be paid well for busting their ass and that does include those that some folks seem to look down their snotty noses at
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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what is a wage? It is a payment for a commodity that companies need-labor. A wage should be high enough to obtain the quantity and quality of the labor it needs. This living wage crap is just that. If one can hire a toilet cleaner for 2 dollars an hour that is what a company should pay for toilet cleaners. If someone cannot live on that wage, they should find a line of work that commands a salary they can live on
    Just because you can do something does not make it right. Biz owners should value their workers, pay em a decent wage and this will benefit them in long run with lower turn over rates and things like that. If a company cannot pay someone a living wage? They need to close down. Period.
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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    Engineering, medicine, law, etc. are far harder than any job which pays crap.
    That is a matter of opinion.
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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    "Harder"? In what way, mentally as compared to physically? You think practicing law/medicine/engineering is "harder" than shoveling dirt?
    Yeah. I would love to see some of these white collar hard workers have to just "TRY" their hand at ditch digging, road pavenment, cleaning a port a potty on hot day, etc.
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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yes, that's a very important point.

    I've done manual labor, and I've done cushy office work, and I don't know how the guys who do the manual labor every day keep at it.
    I have done both too and would much rather sit on my ass pushing a pencil in an office than be out in the hot Carolina Sun for up to 12 hours sweating my so called fat ass off
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    Re: Does hard work always lead to a higher income

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Harder when talking in the sense of jobs is a multifaceted word.

    Sure, physicality can play into it. One could say the ditch digger has a harder job than the janitor but the pro-football player has the harder job than either because the physical demands are so great.

    Physicality. Hours. Time it takes to even learn the skills for the job. The difficulty, possibly in time/money/intelligence/experience, to get into the position. The stress said position places upon you. The intelligence needed. The risk associated with it both financially and physically.

    All these things play into it.

    Physically, a ditch digger on any particular day is working far harder than a brain surgeon.

    When comparing the two however in a more overall view, the Brain Surgeon sacrifices likely 10 years of his life to study and score high enough to continue his education, all the while putting himself in large amount of debt. To then have to do a job that daily requires him to recall multitude of in depth and high level information learned over multiple years in which peoples lives can literally, directly, hang in very balance of his hands. To have dealt with years of extremely long hours, little sleep, and the knowledge that any mistake could potentially cost him not just his job but his financial security. With all that, yeah, I could say that a Brain Surgeon that is doing his job as exemplary as a Ditch Digger is doing his job is works harder than said ditch digger in an overall sense. Not physically, but over all definitely.
    I would go into a long rant about how the ditch digger has much more stress than the Brain Surgeon and how some people view people in a medical position as Gods but it would be pointless.

    The fact of the matter is that ditchdigger has as much worth and works as hard as that Brain Surgeon on a daily basis and their pay should reflect that.
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