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    Re: Is Capitalism require government to exist and function?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Not at all, it has existed prior to formalized governments.
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    Re: Is Capitalism require government to exist and function?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    how do you figure?
    Trading for perceived higher value goods has existed since man learned to craft/cultivate things.
    Some people built a kind of wealth with this trading.

    You'll notice that in areas where government is scarce or non existent, that people still function like this but instead of using money as a means of trade. They use cows, pigs and other things as a measure of wealth.

    It still happens to this day.
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    Re: Is Capitalism require government to exist and function?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    How many capitalist anarchist societies have ever existed? Strangely, Somalia's complete lack of government hasn't done much for local economy. Capitalism requires the state to provide the foundation about which commerce relies to operate. At the bare minimum you need the state to protect against bandits, prevent fraud, and enforce contracts. If you want actual wealth and a successful economy, you need a lot more than that.
    This is interesting.
    It could be that Somalia has retrogressed to where many nations were hundreds of years ago.
    Somalia would make an interesting study, much as man studies insects and animals; but I doubt is this "study" would be allowed by the people of Somalia.
    And I think that Somalia does have government, but only on a local basis, possibily bad for them, a local government that we may see as being "criminal".
    Was our own government ,hundreds of years ago, that much better???
    Ask the "tea baggers"..

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    Re: Is Capitalism require government to exist and function?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Trading for perceived higher value goods has existed since man learned to craft/cultivate things.
    Some people built a kind of wealth with this trading.

    You'll notice that in areas where government is scarce or non existent, that people still function like this but instead of using money as a means of trade. They use cows, pigs and other things as a measure of wealth.

    It still happens to this day.
    Chickens for "health care"

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    Re: Is Capitalism require government to exist and function?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Chickens for "health care"
    It's plausible but I think she was alluding to fee for service with no third party.

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    Re: Is Capitalism require government to exist and function?

    Technically no, but I believe that minimal government protection is needed for a more prosperous society.
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    Re: Is Capitalism require government to exist and function?

    Quote Originally Posted by Regicollis View Post
    Capitalism needs the state in order to function. It needs the state to enforce contracts protect property, enact and enforce intellectual property rights etc. The very core of capitalism is private property rights and these only exists as long as there is a legal system to protect them.

    Capitalism is a government programme.
    But that means capitalism is socialism, according to some of the people on this board!
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    Re: Is Capitalism require government to exist and function?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Does Capitalism require government to exist and function?
    Technically, no... because barter and trade existed before currency and goods had non-fixed value based on individual transactions.

    I would say that the advent of corporatism is what necessitated more government.

    Capitalism is just an economic philosophy. How people choose to act it out depends on sociocultural factors.

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    Re: Is Capitalism require government to exist and function?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Technically no, but I believe that minimal government protection is needed for a more prosperous society.
    I tend towards minarchism myself as well.

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    Re: Is Capitalism require government to exist and function?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    How many capitalist anarchist societies have ever existed? Strangely, Somalia's complete lack of government hasn't done much for local economy.
    Failed State =/= Anarcho Capitalism.

    Capitalism requires the state to provide the foundation about which commerce relies to operate. At the bare minimum you need the state to protect against bandits, prevent fraud, and enforce contracts. If you want actual wealth and a successful economy, you need a lot more than that.
    No actually you don't, you can still have voluntary private police forces and courts. The rights of collective and individualistic self defense would not be abridged. You don't need a state to determine that someone has violated the non-aggression principle by perpetrating fraud, violating contract, raiding villages etc.
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