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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    What... Like in a cage match or something?

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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Well I'd be more than happy to settle those issues.
    I agree with a lot of the libertarian philosophy, but in some areas I can't really agree with it. I am all for limited government, more personal freedom, and less government intervention. But I don't support things like legalizing drugs, taking the government out in some areas, and having society shift more towards the laws of individuals over the laws of the land. I do like giving states more power and the fed less power, but I do believe in social programs and other things that are usually opposed by libertarianism. I'm not libertarian myself so I speak somewhat out of ignorance because I don't know what the libertarian stance on every issue is.
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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    Ron Paul, but only begrudgingly. I think his naive views on jihadists would soften once he assumed the Presidency. It's kind of hard to ignore the entire military upper echelon and intelligence community telling you that jihadist terrorism is a lot more complex than simple blowback and that a defensive military posture would be suboptimal.

    However, I think a great many of his views are misunderstood and misrepresented. For instance, he voted to authorize the war in Afghanistan, which cuts against the notion that he is isolationist or unwilling to aggressively defend the nation.

    Furthermore, he does not advocate or support the immediate dissolution of Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security; instead, he favors an incremental restructuring and phasing out of the programs. That is an unsubtle distinction that is often lost or ignored.

    Lastly, his position on the Federal Reserve (which I disagree with) is absolutely immaterial to his Presidency. Only the Congress has the authority to materially alter the existence of the Federal Reserve.

    I think he's far more pragmatic than most folks give him credit for, and a lot of that has to do with his speaking skills. He has a tendency to speak in philosophical absolutes, only injecting pragmatism after he is asked to clarify or qualify his positions.

    Ultimately, I have no illusions that Ron Paul will be the President, or even win the Republican primary.

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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Well I'd be more than happy to settle those issues.
    What is the Libertarian solution when bigotry and discrimination against a group of people has become enshrined in the culture?
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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    What is the Libertarian solution when bigotry and discrimination against a group of people has become enshrined in the culture?
    They ignore it until it goes away.

    I am just joking.

    I honestly don't think they would do anything as it would not be the governments place if it is a private service or property.
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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by makeout hobo
    What is the Libertarian solution when bigotry and discrimination against a group of people has become enshrined in the culture?
    Arizonans favor the law by an overwhelming amount. Besides, it's not against "a group of people". I would hope that a white dude who gets pulled over without any ID would get a third degree just as much as a brownie.

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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    Obama, but only because Ron Paul's policies are unrealistic and border on the insane. He seems to believe in the "vacuum" theory, forgetting that the world does not work like that, no matter how much he wishes it did.
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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Arizonans favor the law by an overwhelming amount. Besides, it's not against "a group of people". I would hope that a white dude who gets pulled over without any ID would get a third degree just as much as a brownie.
    I wasn't referring to Arizona. Arizona may or may not be legal discrimination (that's for another thread), but what I'm referring to is more the social and cultural discrimination that African Americans faced historically, Jim Crow aside.
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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    Cultural discrimination? You must not know as many wiggers as I do.

    You can't legally stop discrimination because discrimination is a direct result of racism. Do you want to ban the NAACP and the UNCF? There will always be racial definitions and borders on infinite social distinctions and organizations. You may as well argue that we all have lobotomies or amnesia. And NO form of law or legislature will fix that.

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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Cultural discrimination? You must not know as many wiggers as I do.

    You can't legally stop discrimination because discrimination is a direct result of racism. Do you want to ban the NAACP and the UNCF? There will always be racial definitions and borders on infinite social distinctions and organizations. You may as well argue that we all have lobotomies or amnesia. And NO form of law or legislature will fix that.
    I do rather think you're missing the point here.
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