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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't really support Ron Paul, in fact I despise his foreign policy. However I'd rather have him in office over Obama.
    You sympathize with nation building. How...... Neoconservative of you.
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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    You sympathize with nation building. How...... Neoconservative of you.
    Wait what? Sympathize with nation building? My biggest beef with Paul is his stance on Israel and the War on Terror.

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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    You sympathize with nation building. How...... Neoconservative of you.
    Historically speaking, can you think of a time when America hasn't engaged in nation building?
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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    I know nothing of Paul's foreign policy, but I assume it is noninterventionalist, which I would support.

    I think his domestic policy would destroy the country though and I consider domestic policy to be far more important since I live in this country and not abroad.

    My only problem with Obama is that he is too beholden to business.

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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Historically speaking, can you think of a time when America hasn't engaged in nation building?
    Back when we were first founded in the 1700's Technically we were building ourselves. I am all for supporting and helping out our allies like Israel. However i am a little skeptical about the War on Terror. I would like to see a stronger national defense and less of a militant (not military) presence around the world. However we should help our allies and remove regimes that threaten our national security.

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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    Based on the responses I have seen so far, the Liberals do seem to side with war. Liberals have gotten us into the vast majority of our wars, including Vietnam. Iraq is the only exception. You think the Liberals' opposition to Iraq was because a Republican was in office?

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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Back when we were first founded in the 1700's Technically we were building ourselves. I am all for supporting and helping out our allies like Israel. However i am a little skeptical about the War on Terror. I would like to see a stronger national defense and less of a militant (not military) presence around the world. However we should help our allies and remove regimes that threaten our national security.
    The problem I find is the notion that 'nation building' is something new to our country. We started nation building the minute we ourselves became a nation. We've had our hands in Mexico for over 200 years and as the culture of globalism has expanded we've only dug deeper and deeper into other countries. Latin America has been the U.S.'s little experiment in nation building for only the last 120 years. It is really sad that people think we only started being intrusive during the cold war.
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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Historically speaking, can you think of a time when America hasn't engaged in nation building?
    Not the point. You will hear many on the libertarian isle call for a "Laissez Faire" economic policy similar to the 18th and 19th century. However, "laissez faire" has only existed in third world nations and in the theoretical realm. The US has never held an actual "hands off" approach to the economy. This does not mean the government should "manage" the economy because of historical track records.

    The US government has not always been in the business of nation building. I can think of many decades in which we were not setting up so called democracies in culturally non democratic parts of the world.
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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Based on the responses I have seen so far, the Liberals do seem to side with war. Liberals have gotten us into the vast majority of our wars, including Vietnam. Iraq is the only exception. You think the Liberals' opposition to Iraq was because a Republican was in office?

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    Well first of all, the tally so far at the point of your post is:
    Libertarian 5
    Conservative 2
    Unknown 1
    Liberal 3
    Centrist 1
    Ind. 4

    Of those three liberal posts. Two were Hatuey's. Here they are.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'd vote for Sarah Palin LOOOOOONG before I vote for Ron Paul.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Historically speaking, can you think of a time when America hasn't engaged in nation building?
    And one was mine:

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I know nothing of Paul's foreign policy, but I assume it is noninterventionalist, which I would support.

    I think his domestic policy would destroy the country though and I consider domestic policy to be far more important since I live in this country and not abroad.

    My only problem with Obama is that he is too beholden to business.
    I stated that I would prefer a less interventionalist foreign policy.

    Hatuey stated that he would vote for palin before paul and that America has on some level been involved in nation building, which may or may not include war.

    I see no evidence to support your assertion.

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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The problem I find is the notion that 'nation building' is something new to our country. We started nation building the minute we ourselves became a nation. We've had our hands in Mexico for over 200 years and as the culture of globalism has expanded we've only dug deeper and deeper into other countries. Latin America has been the U.S.'s little experiment in nation building for only the last 120 years. It is really sad that people think we only started being intrusive during the cold war.
    We have wrongly dabbled in other nations for a very long time, and I am against this. I am for making smart alliances, but I am against dabbling into another nation and "building" them.

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