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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    On top of that Ron Paul is for nonintervention not isolationism, but people refuse to acknowledge this.
    That is indeed one of the largest misconceptions. For sure, Ron Paul is not an isolationist. He's not saying withdraw from the world. We can still be friends, we can still have economic relations and trade. But what he wants to end is our incessant meddling with other countries and other people's affairs. It's not our job to fix the worlds problems, we have problems of our own and we should be working on those first and foremost. The rest of the world...well I guess they'll have to learn to take care of themselves.
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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

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    I think how it was handled during the civil rights era, with government forcing businesses not to discriminate based on skin color, was the right way to handle it, and it largely worked.
    Hobo,

    I think you're altering your argument slightly. You didn't ask for a solution to discriminatory business practices, instead, you asked for a solution to socially ingrained bigotry and racial discrimination. I don't think anyone stopped being a bigot because of the Civil Rights Act, and I don't think overt racial discrimination could have been eliminated from private businesses unless the majority of the populace actually supported such a measure.

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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That is indeed one of the largest misconceptions. For sure, Ron Paul is not an isolationist. He's not saying withdraw from the world. We can still be friends, we can still have economic relations and trade. But what he wants to end is our incessant meddling with other countries and other people's affairs. It's not our job to fix the worlds problems, we have problems of our own and we should be working on those first and foremost. The rest of the world...well I guess they'll have to learn to take care of themselves.
    Ron Paul could not have said it any better. You should write his speeches, lol.
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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by alms View Post
    Captain,

    If baseless insults and petty misrepresentations are your idea of a mature dialog, then I have little desire to engage you.

    And assert your correctness all you like, it won't make you any less partisan or wrong.
    You get what you give. Perhaps if you comments were accurate and not petty misrepresentations, you might have received an answer that you liked better. Perhaps next time you will learn from this error.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's only possible if one offers more than "his theories are insane" blah blah blah. That's just a disparaging comment which does not add anything to a discussion. If you were interested in mature dialogue you would have instead stated what you don't like. "I think that isolationism isn't achievable in the modern world and would only serve to hurt" or something like that. So the question goes back to you.
    Perhaps you should read my post. I commented, broadly, on my issue with Ron Paul's positions. So, the issue goes back to YOU on what you think of that. Of course you could comment on me isntead of what I said, but that won't get you very far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You get what you give. Perhaps if you comments were accurate and not petty misrepresentations, you might have received an answer that you liked better.
    Captain,

    You asserted that Ron Paul's policies "bordered on the insane" and you further characterized his views as a "vacuum theory", not bothering to explain, expound, or clarify. This kind of empty rhetoric and partisan bashing only serves to inflame and divide. Your attempts to spin and rationalize your attacks are transparent and silly.

    Perhaps next time you will learn from this error.
    My only error was in assuming you were capable of admitting fault when you're so obviously wrong.

    Your comments were abrasive, inflammatory, and without substance. It won't kill you to admit this.

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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by alms View Post
    Captain,

    You asserted that Ron Paul's policies "bordered on the insane" and you further characterized his views as a "vacuum theory", not bothering to explain, expound, or clarify. This kind of empty rhetoric and partisan bashing only serves to inflame and divide. Your attempts to spin and rationalize your attacks are transparent and silly.
    Then perhaps you should have asked what "vacuum theory" meant, rather than making silly assumptions. It might have cleared things up for you.

    My only error was in assuming you were capable of admitting fault when you're so obviously wrong.

    Your comments were abrasive, inflammatory, and without substance. It won't kill you to admit this.
    No, your error was making an ad hominem attack, a logical fallacy, rather than addressing what I posted. Your comments were abrasive, inflammatory, and without substance, It won't kill you to admit it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Then perhaps you should have asked what "vacuum theory" meant, rather than making silly assumptions. It might have cleared things up for you.
    I believe I know what you meant. You're either referring to his highly individualist domestic policies or his non-interventionist foreign policies, or both; the implication being that his views fail to account for a wide array external socioeconomic and geopolitical factors. If you knew anything about his views, you would know that this is a gross oversimplification of his political philosophy.

    More importantly, none of this excuses your reference to insanity. It was an abrasive, hyperpartisan comment with no substance or worth. I'm not sure why you're having so much trouble admitting this. Do you feel it's any less abrasive or partisan when someone calls President Obama a communist or President Bush a dictator? I certainly don't.

    No, your error was making an ad hominem attack, a logical fallacy, rather than addressing what I posted. Your comments were abrasive, inflammatory, and without substance, It won't kill you to admit it.
    I absolutely did address what you posted, and there is nothing logically fallacious about challenging your hyperpartisan and inflammatory comments. Your transparent attempt to excuse your abrasive comments while redirecting blame is patently dishonest.

    And what comments have I made that were abrasive, inflammatory, and without substance? You made the initial comments about Ron Paul's policies bordering on insane, and I merely, and accurately, pointed out that such comments were inane and partisan.

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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by alms View Post
    I believe I know what you meant. You're either referring to his highly individualist domestic policies or his non-interventionist foreign policies, or both; the implication being that his views fail to account for a wide array external socioeconomic and geopolitical factors. If you knew anything about his views, you would know that this is a gross oversimplification of his political philosophy.
    I know a bit about his view. In general, the impact his polices have on larger systems is far secondary to his focus on smaller government and indivualism. His policies are unrealisitic in that they would impact other systems, significantly. This tends to be the position of "big L" libertarians, a position that is unrealistic as that of socialism.

    More importantly, none of this excuses your reference to insanity. It was an abrasive, hyperpartisan comment with no substance or worth. I'm not sure why you're having so much trouble admitting this. Do you feel it's any less abrasive or partisan when someone calls President Obama a communist or President Bush a dictator? I certainly don't.
    Most importantly, you should really try reading what folks read, rather than reacting so emotionally because your position is being challenged. I stated his POLICIES bordered on the insane, not him. Policies that place little value on the impact on larger systems ARE in my opinion insane. Remember, it was my opinion.



    I absolutely did address what you posted, and there is nothing logically fallacious about challenging your hyperpartisan and inflammatory comments. Your transparent attempt to excuse your abrasive comments while redirecting blame is patently dishonest.
    No, you didn't and you continue to not do so. You just continue to post like you are all hurt that I think the position you have is foolish. You don't like that? Too bad, debate it. But you want to make inaccurate statements about what I said, which is what you did, I will challenge you on it. You don't like it? Too bad.

    And what comments have I made that were abrasive, inflammatory, and without substance? You made the initial comments about Ron Paul's policies bordering on insane, and I merely, and accurately, pointed out that such comments were inane and partisan.
    I explained why. Further, you made assumptions about partisanship which you have zero evidence for. No, what happened was that you saw someone who didn't like Ron Paul's policies, got all hurt, and instead of debating the issue, went on the attack. And NOW, you're upset that I called you on it. Wanna debate the topic? Be my guest. Wanna keep being abrassive and making inaccurate assumptions? You'll get challenged and exposed. Your choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Ron Paul vs Barack Obama

    Could I just choose to not vote? That way I wouldn't have to deal with the "You're racist if you don't like him" portion of Obama supporters and the "You obviously are unintelligent and uneducated because no one can be those things and not agree with the wonder and majesty of Dr. Paul" portion of his supporters.

    Ugg.

    Also, Ikari, hate to burst your bubble but internet polls on a message board don't really mean...um....much of anything other than telling what that message board thinks, and even that's not really true since not everyone visits and its an anonymous poll which means people can vote over and over and over again and as was seen whe comparing the Primary results to internet results in 2008 Ron Paul people have no problem showing up in droves...online.

    In all seriousness, as I said earlier, I'd choose Paul. In large part because his basic philosophies are in line with what I believe, but I do think he lacks realisim, pragmatisism, and empathy of any kind. Thankfully little of that will matter because we're not a dictatorship and the very nature of having a congress would mean that his absolutely extreme and unpragmatic views on a number of things and how to go about them would be scaled back drastically to more realistic means.

    Now if you asked "Ron Paul with a congress full of Ron Pauls vs Barack Obama and a congress full of Obama's", well then my vote would be Australia.


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