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Glenn Beck

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WI Crippler said:
Too early to tell in Iraq, but signs are promising. Afghanistan needs more time. If you believe in womens rights, you should cheer every bomb we drop and every round we fire over there. If we persist, prehaps they'll get to do something so mundane as go to school someday and learn to read.
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I'm not sure it is our job to be intervening in every country where women are being abused. If it is, we have a rough road ahead of us. See, I don't believe it is the job of our brave military personnel to go around cleaning up the ****holes of the world. Their job is to protect and defend our country.

Many did die and more will, but considering the length of the conflicts, and amount of troops that have rotated in and out of combat after all these years, the rate is suprisingly low particulary with respect to other conflicts that have persisted over years with high amount of ground forces present.
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I agree. But use of force is not something to be entered into lightly, and certainly not without a clear end goals and objectives that are measurable and feasible. And, IMO, we never had that. And yes, hell yes, I blame Bush for that.

Western "on demand" attitudes for results regarding complex situations is nothing but short-sighted greed and ignorance.
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WTFE.

If the situation is that complex (and it is), perhaps we ought not have barged into it like a bull in a goddamned china shop.

I value our military service personnel, and always have. I do not feel that we should be using them without a clear blueprint/timeline for what they are to accomplish, and we never had that in Iraq. Or, for that matter, in Afghanistan. What we had were poorly defined missions, lofty and potentially unfeasible (some might call them pie-in-the-sky) goals, and improper preparation.

It had NOTHING to do with the hard work of our ground forces, and EVERYTHING to do with poor leadership in our commander in chief.

For the record, I'm even more critical of Clinton's actions in Somalia, so don't get your panties in a wad.

The older I get, the less inclined I am to support the idea of committing our forces overseas to fight other people's wars.

That's something I actually agree with Ron Paul on.

And no, I don't consider George W. Bush manly.
 
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Glenn Beck and all other conservative talk show hosts are anti-liberal bigots. I agree with a few of their beliefs, but I can't stand their bigotry of liberals. I dislike far right and far left people, but I don't go around touting they will be the end of America.

Glenn Beck and the other conservative talk show hosts have no desire of coming to the middle and instead choose to demonize Americans with different opinions while encouraging the thought that conservatism solves all problems.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I'm not sure it is our job to be intervening in every country where women are being abused. If it is, we have a rough road ahead of us.
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Then don't ever claim to care about womens rights. It'd be a tad hypocritical to sit there and espouse how much you care, without actually wanting us to do anything about it.



I agree. But use of force is not something to be entered into lightly, and certainly not without a clear end goals and objectives that are measurable and feasible. And, IMO, we never had that. And yes, hell yes, I blame Bush for that.
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Yeah, i blame bush for that as well. When i went in the initial invasion, i wondered just how we were going to take over a country with a force 1/3 size of what we took to secure a much smaller Kuwait. The timing and the initial planning were executed poorly. On that I don't disagree.


I value our military service personnel, and always have. I do not feel that we should be using them without a clear blueprint/timeline for what they are to accomplish, and we never had that in Iraq. Or, for that matter, in Afghanistan. What we had were poorly defined missions, lofty and potentially unfeasible (some might call them pie-in-the-sky) goals, and improper preparation.
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I am with MSgt on this and blame Rumsfeld and his desire for technological, "bloodless" battles he wanted to wage(this goes back through the Clinton years, and Bush I as well, based on our relatively bloodless first gulf war and air campaigns over European skies). Of course Bush was the decider, so blame for the execution lies with him for the initial stages up until Petraus was given command. From there on out some credit is due for not wasting the intial efforts of people like myself by leaving because it was going poorly. 1st generation Hmong immigrants from the Vietnam War have felt the sting of what it is to be left to the devices of a power vaccum once American forces are told to quit.

And no, I don't consider George W. Bush manly.
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I don't know why you keep attributing this to me, I never brought it up one way or the other.
 
Jetboogieman said:
He's a freedom loving true American, a person who cares more about America then any of us can ever hope to. His insight into the Obama administrations evil plans is shockingly insightful. I'm glad that he has a show that shines his light into the homes of so many good intelligent people that understand that Obama must be stopped at all costs.

Yes, Glenn Beck is a great, great man.
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Don't get your tongue to wedged into your cheek. If it does become stuck just remember the words of your Glenn Beck.... ".... the show must go on, for there is no business like show business....."
 
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Catz Part Deux said:
ORLY?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/relig...ee-episode-glenn-beck-faith-our-founders.html

Actually, if you really investigate a lot of the information presented by Glenn Beck and his special friends, it is based upon lies and misinformation.

For instance, presenting a show on "Faith of Our Fathers," and using it as a platform to present a discredited "scholar" like David Barton who has actually fabricated quotes and then attributed them, falsely, to founding fathers.

Shows like that leave his viewers with a completely false impression, and in fact, DO undermine fundamental principles endorsed by our founding fathers and enshrined in our key documents.

The last thing the founding fathers wanted was a religious theocracy. They would have been utterly appalled by the very notion. But, Glenn Beck provides a platform for people who are trying to push the U.S. in that direction.

It's funny that someone brought up the NEA, because David Barton has actually been involved in attempting to change the information taught to high schoolers in their textbooks, based on the same misinformation and misguided religious principles that he puts in his books.
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I said I thought he was crazy, I never said I believed what he spews. I think many of his criticisms of Obama are legitimate, but many of the other things he says are propaganda or ultra traditionalist views. He seems to have this belief that if we don't go back to ancient values and heavy traditionalism of the 1700's then we will fail as a nation or become morally bankrupt. It seems we agree on this :)
 
WI Crippler said:
Then don't ever claim to care about womens rights. It'd be a tad hypocritical to sit there and espouse how much you care, without actually wanting us to do anything about it.
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That's faulty reasoning there. I can care about women's rights without believing that our military service personnel need to be lent out to every country under the sun that mistreats women. Give me a f'ing break.

Yeah, i blame bush for that as well. When i went in the initial invasion, i wondered just how we were going to take over a country with a force 1/3 size of what we took to secure a much smaller Kuwait. The timing and the initial planning were executed poorly. On that I don't disagree.
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And my guy was there in 2005, when Tikrit was still a massive cluster**** with no demonstrable improvement, and no real plan for fixing the buggery.

I am with MSgt on this and blame Rumsfeld and his desire for technological, "bloodless" battles he wanted to wage(this goes back through the Clinton years, and Bush I as well, based on our relatively bloodless first gulf war and air campaigns over European skies). Of course Bush was the decider, so blame for the execution lies with him for the initial stages up until Petraus was given command. From there on out some credit is due for not wasting the intial efforts of people like myself by leaving because it was going poorly. 1st generation Hmong immigrants from the Vietnam War have felt the sting of what it is to be left to the devices of a power vaccum once American forces are told to quit.
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Some aspects of the battlefield stuff were handled exceptionally well, but overall, I have to say that both wars were poorly conceived. IMO, we should have spent more time thinking before invading either country, and formulated a clear action plan/goals/objectives. We should ALWAYS do that before committing our forces. We have a sacred obligation to do so.

Does that help explain better why I find the comment by turtledude or whoever that Bush was more "manly" so offensive? He put our people in harm's way without doing his job properly. He used poor judgement. I don't care how "manly" he looks, real men don't risk OTHER PEOPLE'S LIVES without seriously considering all possible solutions. And there is no way in hell that Bush was as thoughtful in regards to committing our forces as he should have been.

I have no problems saying that you, WI, are about ten million times more manly than George W. Bush.
 
digsbe said:
I said I thought he was crazy, I never said I believed what he spews. I think many of his criticisms of Obama are legitimate, but many of the other things he says are propaganda or ultra traditionalist views. He seems to have this belief that if we don't go back to ancient values and heavy traditionalism of the 1700's then we will fail as a nation or become morally bankrupt. It seems we agree on this :)
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We do. What scares me about Beck isn't people like you, Digsbe, who are rational. It's the people who aren't. You should read that thread. You'll see what I mean.
 
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