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    Reagan vs. Obama

    Every country with an excessively "populist" head of state is in partial danger of the cults of personality that surround those figures, in my opinion. At an extreme level, the Communist dictators of the USSR come to mind; at a far more mild phase, heads of state that use their rhetorical abilities to influence audiences to agree with them without much independent thought on the part of those audiences are the norm.

    The most "cultish" U.S. president in recent history is probably John Kennedy; his brief reign and assassination have left most people unaware of the interventionist campaigns he approved and engaged in during his brief administration. It's possible that he would have surpassed his essentially imperialist predecessor, Eisenhower.

    Of the two most recent U.S. presidents with substantial cults of personality around them, Ronald Reagan and Barack Obama, which is the greater "deity" among their followers? This is perhaps not a completely fair poll, since we've seen eight years of Reagan and more than twenty years to reflect on his deeds, while less than two years of Obama's governance, though more of his public presence. But what would your analysis be, regardless? And yea, I'm expecting this to go along partisan lines.

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    Re: Reagan vs. Obama

    Reagan was a liberal hollywood actor playing the part of a "conservative" president. Obama is real.

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    Re: Reagan vs. Obama

    It has to be Obama. Partisanship has to be involved, because left-wingers are automatically more known to cater to the "cult of personality" because they have Hollywood backing. Reagan was heavily supported, but that's only because he had a revolutionary process of economic thinking that Kennedy began, but due to a fateful and tragic bullet, could not see to complete fruition.

    Reagan gets lots of credit he deserves and lots of credit he didn't deserve. Personally, I think the way he handled Iran-Contra was nothing short of brilliant. Making your enemies fight each other is straight from Sun Tzu, and he was the man. He helped control the Sandanistas and other Marxist revolutionaries in Central America that choked their own people and economies.

    The main thing he got too much credit for was "winning" the Cold War. He did deliver a killing blow to the Soviet Union, but they were on the decline long before Reagan saw office. All he did was come in and sweep up the remains to adoring fans.

    On the other hand, Obama hasn't done jack for this nation, and what little he has done has been at minimum detrimental, and probably closer to a long-term catastrophe. He was elected on a platform of smoke and mirrors. People chanting "hope" and "change", all the while not mentioning the hope and change he planned to deliver. He took advantage of your average simple-minded American voter. The only advantage he had is that he was charming enough to do it en masse. He had the same advantage Kennedy had in 1960 - looks. If the '60 presidential debates had been over the radio and not television, Nixon would have won in a landslide. He was out-debated on every possible level. Fortunately, Kennedy turned out to be a great president for what little time he had.

    Obama has been called a "rock star" for a reason. There weren't any Internet sluts making youtube videos titled "I got a crush on McCain".

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    Re: Reagan vs. Obama

    I am going to have to go with Obama on this one.
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    Re: Reagan vs. Obama

    I don't think the question is fair because Obama is still in office and Reagan served decades ago. Remember though, how every republican running for president in 2008 stopped and gave respect to St. Ronnie at every single chance.
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    Re: Reagan vs. Obama

    That had to do more with his accomplishments than him being "cool".

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    Re: Reagan vs. Obama

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    That had to do more with his accomplishments than him being "cool".
    It's a cult of personality no matter how you spin it
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    Re: Reagan vs. Obama

    Reagan was popular because he played the illiterate cowboy image perfectly. This is a guy who people will argue somehow 'scared' the Iranians into handing over hostages over simply by becoming president. The same Iranians who would blast Israel back to the stone age if they got their hands on a single nuclear weapon were scared of a senile 70 year old. The same Iranian revolution which pushed JIHAD (remember what the **** Jihad is? You DIE for Allah?) were scared of being bombed by Reagan. Reagan was brilliant at letting the cult of personality form around him by people who simply don't know better.

    All you have to look at is how Conservatives and the right wing still push the lie that Reagan somehow won the cold war. The right wing has a lot of intellectuals at the top (Kissinger being one of my personal favorites) but at the very base it is made up of people who are ignorant. Not that I have anything against that, I just see why Reagan is so valuable to these people. He was a political opportunist and he basically fed off their ignorance.
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    Re: Reagan vs. Obama

    I think most of Reagan's cult of personality came after he was president, whereas most of Obama's came before he was president. Obama wins if he retains it past his presidency. So my answer is, let's wait and see.

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    Re: Reagan vs. Obama

    I don't care how much the right-wing says it loves Reagan, they never got signs saying that he was God or Jesus or the Messiah. If Reagan went as far to say that he was some angelic being, or if a leading GOP partisan-hack publication did what the NYT did and showed Reagan with a halo around him; it'd be laughed off the stage.

    Obama wins hands down.

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