View Poll Results: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

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  • Yes, this is for the common good.

    14 22.22%
  • Warning labels and a public awareness campaign should be enough

    12 19.05%
  • Government managed healthcare gives them a vested interest in this

    1 1.59%
  • Processed food is so darned salty, I won't protest

    3 4.76%
  • As long as it's legal for folks to add more salt, I'm okay with it

    5 7.94%
  • The government is trying to micromanage our lives! No, this is ridiculous!

    22 34.92%
  • Other, please explain

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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    If I have to pay for their medical bills, hell yes regulate it.

    If I don't, you're free to kill yourself via hypertension.

    The notion of personal responsibility is fine in theory, until you start including the mechanisms of how medical bills are paid.
    A fine point against socialized medicine.

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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    By all means. Please show us how Tucker's comment was hyperbolic? But before you do:
    So you think salt is comparable to arsenic and dog feces? Can you survive without consuming salt? Do you need arsenic and dog feces to survive? If you can't see the hyperbole in the comparison he used, then I can't help you.
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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Just curious, does the same logic apply to arsenic? Do the companies "have a right to put as much arsenic into their product as they want to." Or a can baby formula company put as much dog feces into its product as it wants to without telling anyone?
    Quite an assumption that FDA or USDA do not already regulate for things such as arsenic (actually inorganic arsenic) and dog feces.

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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by hiswoman View Post
    This has been covered. What's the point of lowering it in the first place then? The salt isn't the issue. It's government sticking it's nose in places it has no business sticking it and people being responsible for their own choices.

    This is the same flawed argument people make with HFC. "If you dont want it, avoid it."

    Nice in theory but I invite you to go to any grocery store and read the PDVs of Sodium in things you generally dont associate with being high in salt and the salt content of salt in a great many foods. It's exceptionally difficult to avoid foods with high levels of salt without setting aside serious time, effort, and money to do so which is something most of us dont have extra of.

    Eating healthy is, contrary to popular opinion, not cheap thus the working poor often do not have the luxury of avoiding processed foods that are almost always high in salt or sugar content.
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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    So you think salt is comparable to arsenic and dog feces?Can you survive without consuming salt? Do you need arsenic and dog feces to survive? If you can't see the hyperbole in the comparison he used, then I can't help you.
    No. Tucker's point was to illustrate that what happens when there is a complete lack of regulation can be dangerous - which you seem to have mistaken for hyperbole even though it happens more often than free market advocates would like to admit. Read the post he replied to.
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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No. Tucker's point was to illustrate that what happens when there is a complete lack of regulation can be dangerous - which you seem to have mistaken for hyperbole even though it happens more often than free market advocates would like to admit. Read the post he replied to.
    I read it, and don't recall seeing anyone in this thread advocating eliminating regulations. That being the case, his comment certainly was hyperbole.

    Honestly, since the government is proposing these regulations out of health concerns, I thought the question DrunkenAsparagus asked was a fair one and even asked it myself. How much government intervention into our lives for health reasons is enough?

    My position is that enough information exists for people to make informed choices, and additional government intervention is not necessary. How that got turned into arsenic and dog feces is beyond me, except as hyperbole on Tucker's part.
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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    I read it, and don't recall seeing anyone in this thread advocating eliminating regulations.
    This statement does suggest that because everything you do has an effect on other people, then regulation is not necessary.

    Of course one is free to put more salt in their food if they want, and yes, others could pay for your medical bills later on for too much salt intake. However, the notion that others may feel some of the effects of your decisions down the line isn't an excuse to regulate your behavior. Everything you do affects others in one way on another. Should all speed limits be 25mph or all alcohol banned? The companies have a right to put as much salt into their product as they want to. It is an agreement between the consumer and the company, not Uncle Sam.
    Tucker was referring to which regulation you oppose and which you support. He wasn't supporting a ban on products etc. He was attacking the notion that nothing should be done and we should all instead wait for the ghost of the market to deal with itself.

    That being the case, his comment certainly was hyperbole.

    Honestly, since the government is proposing these regulations out of health concerns, I thought the question DrunkenAsparagus asked was a fair one and even asked it myself. How much government intervention into our lives for health reasons is enough?

    My position is that enough information exists for people to make informed choices, and additional government intervention is not necessary. How that got turned into arsenic and dog feces is beyond me, except as hyperbole on Tucker's part.
    The problem with this statement is that the availability of information simply isn't enough. Poverty and health are strongly related in a cycle.

    Poverty ensures that the quality of your food will be lower. Eating unhealthy foods is more likely to mean weight gain. Weight gain and health problems mean your capability to work is strongly diminished.

    There is strong researching showing that even a slight reduction in salt would be enough to rid a lot of these health problems. In this case, a proposed limit on how much of it producers can put in their foods would be beneficial to the well being of all.
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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This statement does suggest that because everything you do has an effect on other people, then regulation is not necessary.





    The problem with this statement is that the availability of information simply isn't enough. Poverty and health are strongly related in a cycle.

    Poverty ensures that the quality of your food will be lower. Eating unhealthy foods is more likely to mean weight gain. Weight gain and health problems mean your capability to work is strongly diminished.

    There is strong researching showing that even a slight reduction in salt would be enough to rid a lot of these health problems. In this case, a proposed limit on how much of it producers can put in their foods would be beneficial to the well being of all.
    Every packaged food item has a label that shows the ingredients and the % daily value of key nutrients, including sodium. The information is there.
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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    Every packaged food item has a label that shows the ingredients and the % daily value of key nutrients, including sodium. The information is there.
    Try going through your regular routine at the super market and see how much sodium you walk out with.

    I was a bit shocked when I first did it.

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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    So, is there something keeping people from adding salt to food?

    Personally, I don't think this proposal is the end of the world. People have been programed by advertising and multinational food corporations to eat high salt food, and the government has come up with a plan to try to wean the public slowly of their acquired taste for what is a harmful substance to many, without the food giants having to individually risk losing their addicted customers.

    It actually sounds like a good plan to me.

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