View Poll Results: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

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  • Yes, this is for the common good.

    14 22.22%
  • Warning labels and a public awareness campaign should be enough

    12 19.05%
  • Government managed healthcare gives them a vested interest in this

    1 1.59%
  • Processed food is so darned salty, I won't protest

    3 4.76%
  • As long as it's legal for folks to add more salt, I'm okay with it

    5 7.94%
  • The government is trying to micromanage our lives! No, this is ridiculous!

    22 34.92%
  • Other, please explain

    6 9.52%
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Thread: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    ...okay. So if ammonia is a controled chemical, not on the label, and the government decides to lower the acceptable amount, you'd be fine with that?
    Yes. If consumers aren't informed (which they should be, IMO) then it does need to be more heavily regulated/watched by *someone*. I'd prefer that consumers were just informed, though.


    Eating is the final step in a long line of processes. Have you ever read The Omnivore's Dilemma? I highly recommend it, it's a great book.
    I realize that, but it's still the consumer's choices that impact their eating habits and nutrition.

    One's choice of clothing usually doesn't impact their health though.
    That doesn't matter, it's the same process. It's an individual choice. And poor clothing choices aren't a breakdown or failure in a system any more than poor eating choices are.

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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Yes. If consumers aren't informed (which they should be, IMO) then it does need to be more heavily regulated/watched by *someone*. I'd prefer that consumers were just informed, though.
    The total amount of chemicals that is present in food is large enough to be quite prohibitive in listing them all. Not to mention how extremely difficult it would be for the average consumer to educate themselves about acceptable levels in their food.

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    I realize that, but it's still the consumer's choices that impact their eating habits and nutrition.


    That doesn't matter, it's the same process. It's an individual choice. And poor clothing choices aren't a breakdown or failure in a system any more than poor eating choices are.
    I would say a system is broken when people no longer make rational choices. Given the number of people who are overweight, but don't want to be, I'd say we passed rationality years ago.
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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Yeah I guess that could describe me, but it is seriously insulting. I mean, if you want to salt it after you taste it, you're still wrong because I always season everything perfectly, but I won't be insulted.

    Salt it before you even taste it though? I'll be in a huff the whole meal.
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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    snooty chef in a huff, what would THAT look like?
    Suffice it to say, no one salts before tasting at my table anymore.
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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post


    I would say a system is broken when people no longer make rational choices. Given the number of people who are overweight, but don't want to be, I'd say we passed rationality years ago.
    Those choices are THEIR choices. And should always remain their choices. No one elses business.

    I'm considered by doctors charts to be obese myself. (hell, at my ideal weight, I'm still considered overweight by their charts) Do I seem irrational to you? Am I overweight because I'm irrational? No. Not by any means. And even if that were the reason, it's still MY doing, MY choice, MY body. And, Whose fault do you think it is that I'm overweight anyway? Whose job is it to fix it?

    Answer: It's my fault. And it's my job to fix it. If I want to.

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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Those choices are THEIR choices. And should always remain their choices. No one elses business.

    I'm considered by doctors charts to be obese myself. (hell, at my ideal weight, I'm still considered overweight by their charts) Do I seem irrational to you? Am I overweight because I'm irrational? No. Not by any means. And even if that were the reason, it's still MY doing, MY choice, MY body. And, Whose fault do you think it is that I'm overweight anyway? Whose job is it to fix it?

    Answer: It's my fault. And it's my job to fix it. If I want to.
    And you can still do any of that as well as add more salt to your even if the government regulates the amount of salt food manufactures use.

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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    And you can still do any of that as well as add more salt to your even if the government regulates the amount of salt food manufactures use.
    That's not the point. They are overstepping their boundaries.

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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Those choices are THEIR choices. And should always remain their choices. No one elses business.

    I'm considered by doctors charts to be obese myself. (hell, at my ideal weight, I'm still considered overweight by their charts) Do I seem irrational to you? Am I overweight because I'm irrational? No. Not by any means. And even if that were the reason, it's still MY doing, MY choice, MY body. And, Whose fault do you think it is that I'm overweight anyway? Whose job is it to fix it?

    Answer: It's my fault. And it's my job to fix it. If I want to.
    I know you don't want to be overweight. And yet you still make choices that leads to an outcome that you don't want. That is irrational. If it was a few people making irrational decisions, it wouldn't bother me because that's natural in a market. When the vast majority of consumers are behaving irrationally, something is going on other than their choice.

    This is not my preferred way to solve the problem. I'd prefer to stop subsidies on wheat, corn, and soy and drive up costs that way. However, since the government insists on keeping prices on junk food artificially low, something needs to be done to correct the problem they've created.
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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Suffice it to say, no one salts before tasting at my table anymore.
    Mr. French complained to Uncle Bill about that issue in the show "Family Affair" back in the old days of TV....don't know why I chose to remember that...
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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I know you don't want to be overweight. And yet you still make choices that leads to an outcome that you don't want. That is irrational. If it was a few people making irrational decisions, it wouldn't bother me because that's natural in a market. When the vast majority of consumers are behaving irrationally, something is going on other than their choice.
    Wrong. There's more than one outcome. I enjoy good food. I enjoy good wine. I LOVE pepsi and doritos. The outcome when I consume what I enjoy is pleasure. It's a matter of deciding which outcome is more important to me, pleasure and overweight? Or decreased pleasure and losing weight? There's nothing irrational there at all. It's a balance that we all must find for ourselves. NOT something the government needs to mandate.

    There's nothing at ALL irrational with people eating and doing what makes them happy. If they are not happy being overweight, it is within their power to change it. If they choose not to, then they are obviously not that unhappy being overweight. Something else makes them happier than losing weight would. What in the world is irrational about that? For some people, living their life and enjoying what they're doing NOW is better than decreasing their enjoyment of their life so they can live an even longer, unhappier life. Personally, I'll take the shorter, happier life over the longer, unhappy one. But that's just me. I'm "irrational" that way.

    One of my favorite quotes: "Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body. But rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, screaming 'Holy ****, what a ride!!' "

    This is not my preferred way to solve the problem. I'd prefer to stop subsidies on wheat, corn, and soy and drive up costs that way. However, since the government insists on keeping prices on junk food artificially low, something needs to be done to correct the problem they've created.
    Indeed. I agree with stopping subsidies. But adding more government regulation to fix the failing government regulation really isn't the way to fix things.
    Last edited by rivrrat; 04-22-10 at 02:50 PM.

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