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  • Yes, this is for the common good.

    14 22.22%
  • Warning labels and a public awareness campaign should be enough

    12 19.05%
  • Government managed healthcare gives them a vested interest in this

    1 1.59%
  • Processed food is so darned salty, I won't protest

    3 4.76%
  • As long as it's legal for folks to add more salt, I'm okay with it

    5 7.94%
  • The government is trying to micromanage our lives! No, this is ridiculous!

    22 34.92%
  • Other, please explain

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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    In this case, the government is helping you help yourself.

    Importantly, the proposed regulation does not restrict the negative liberty of the individual, but instead restricts the actions of food producers. The individual is in no way disadvantaged by this.

    Therefore, philosophical objections to the role of government do little to invalidate the gains of social utility that are certain to occur.


    Hyperbole.
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    You dismiss the argument, you miss the point.

    The proposed regulation does not diminish individual freedom.
    If the government puts a ban on all bright clothing it infringes on the freedom of all of us even those who do not want to wear bright clothing but esp. those who want to wear bright clothing.

    If the government wants to restrict how and what food is available the same applies.
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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    But you're okay with them limiting other chemicals that are toxic in high amounts?
    If they don't put those chemicals on the label, yes.


    Because at some point we have to take a look around and realize our current philosophy isn't working. If 95% of people are living in poverty in a socialist country, I would feel comfortable saying that system isn't working. Likewise, we are fast approaching the point where I wonder if allowing corporations to play on people's deep rooted desire for salt, fat, and sugar is in our best interest as society as a whole.
    There is no "system" for eating. It's not a system failure, it's an individual failure.

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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    If they don't put those chemicals on the label, yes.
    Ammonia is not on the label for ground beef. You still eat it every time you stop by MickyDees. If it was on the label and the government decided that the current amount allowed could still be toxic if enough ground beef was consumed and it needed to be lowered, would you object?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    There is no "system" for eating. It's not a system failure, it's an individual failure.
    The food chain is most definately a system.
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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Interesting post. I just have one thing that bugs me.

    Your opinion is that if a state wants to put say, 10x the acceptable amount of arsenic into chicken feed, it's got the go ahead by you, as long as it doesn't cross state lines? That doesn't seem logical.
    If a state chooses to allow it, and it isn't my state, I have no pressing desire to prevent it (although I would feel it is exceedingly stupid of said State and would hope that the residents of that state would want the practice discontinued, but to each his or her own) nor do I have any reasonable right to try and prevent it when it clearly doesn't affect me in any way.

    However, if it's my state, I want arsenic levels regulated. I would absolutely oppose my state choosing to allow such things, to the point that I would be inclined to move to another state if my state did allow such things. I have a right to prevent such things because it can directly affect me.

    It's not the federal government's job to dictate to the states how they operate within their own territory. It only becomes the federal government's business when things travel across state lines/affects multiple states.
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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    It's cheaper than covering your health care when you get diseases from too much salt.
    Not sure there are any diseases from too much salt, just conditions that are aggravated by too much salt...
    People who salt their food before tasting it are insulting the cook.

    I have a friend who salts everything out of habit. He has a medical condition that suggests he should limit his salt intake. If he dies and salt contributed to the event, that is on him. The government should stay out of it...
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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Not sure there are any diseases from too much salt, just conditions that are aggravated by too much salt...
    People who salt their food before tasting it are insulting the cook.
    Yeah to a snooty chef with control issues.

    I have a friend who salts everything out of habit. He has a medical condition that suggests he should limit his salt intake. If he dies and salt contributed to the event, that is on him. The government should stay out of it...
    the government is out of it. He can put as much salt as he wants to on his food.

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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    If a state chooses to allow it, and it isn't my state, I have no pressing desire to prevent it (although I would feel it is exceedingly stupid of said State and would hope that the residents of that state would want the practice discontinued, but to each his or her own) nor do I have any reasonable right to try and prevent it when it clearly doesn't affect me in any way.

    However, if it's my state, I want arsenic levels regulated. I would absolutely oppose my state choosing to allow such things, to the point that I would be inclined to move to another state if my state did allow such things. I have a right to prevent such things because it can directly affect me.

    It's not the federal government's job to dictate to the states how they operate within their own territory. It only becomes the federal government's business when things travel across state lines/affects multiple states.

    Weird. I know the whole "state's rights" thing is important to some people, but to me a good law is a good law and everyone should follow it, no matter who it comes from.
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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Ammonia is not on the label for ground beef. You still eat it every time you stop by MickyDees. If it was on the label and the government decided that the current amount allowed could still be toxic if enough ground beef was consumed and it needed to be lowered, would you object?
    I object to trans fat bans and limitations. So yes.

    As long as a consumer is informed, that's all I care about.


    The food chain is most definately a system.
    Eating is not. It's an individual thing.

    If everyone dressed ugly, would you call it a failure in our dressing system? There is no system for people to dress. There is a system for manufacturing clothes, just as there is a system for manufacturing food. But there is no system for food choices and eating habits any more than there is a system for dressing habits.

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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Yeah to a snooty chef with control issues.
    Yeah I guess that could describe me, but it is seriously insulting. I mean, if you want to salt it after you taste it, you're still wrong because I always season everything perfectly, but I won't be insulted.

    Salt it before you even taste it though? I'll be in a huff the whole meal.
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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    I object to trans fat bans and limitations. So yes.

    As long as a consumer is informed, that's all I care about.
    ...okay. So if ammonia is a controled chemical, not on the label, and the government decides to lower the acceptable amount, you'd be fine with that?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Eating is not. It's an individual thing.

    If everyone dressed ugly, would you call it a failure in our dressing system? There is no system for people to dress. There is a system for manufacturing clothes, just as there is a system for manufacturing food. But there is no system for food choices and eating habits any more than there is a system for dressing habits.
    Eating is the final step in a long line of processes. Have you ever read The Omnivore's Dilemma? I highly recommend it, it's a great book.

    One's choice of clothing usually doesn't impact their health though.
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