View Poll Results: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

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  • Yes, this is for the common good.

    14 22.22%
  • Warning labels and a public awareness campaign should be enough

    12 19.05%
  • Government managed healthcare gives them a vested interest in this

    1 1.59%
  • Processed food is so darned salty, I won't protest

    3 4.76%
  • As long as it's legal for folks to add more salt, I'm okay with it

    5 7.94%
  • The government is trying to micromanage our lives! No, this is ridiculous!

    22 34.92%
  • Other, please explain

    6 9.52%
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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Interesting post. I just have one thing that bugs me.

    Your opinion is that if a state wants to put say, 10x the acceptable amount of arsenic into chicken feed, it's got the go ahead by you, as long as it doesn't cross state lines? That doesn't seem logical.
    Hey, as long as it's on the label!

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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    At what point are we going to start to care though? We're already at what, 67% of Americans are overweight? Are we going to wait until 90% until we realize that our system isn't working?
    What system? The system of personal freedom, choice, and liberty?

    Humans have evolved for millions of years to seek out foods with sugar, fat, and salt because it guaranteed our survival. Now that instinct is being turned against us to make a profit. I know we have a choice. But at what point are we concerned about our collective health enough to realize that most people don't make the right choice?
    No one has any right to say that someone else is making the 'wrong choice' for themselves. It is THEIR BODY. Who the hell are you, or anyone else, to step in and say, "You're making wrong choices, so from now on I'm going to make them for you?"

    Looking at it another way, given the choice, most people would drive well over the speed limit. But it's a danger to public safety, so we passed speed limit laws. I know it's not a perfect analogy, and I'm not suggesting we pass laws overseeing every part of nuitrition. But limiting salt would help millions of Americans. A few might be inconvenienced because they have to get their salt shakers.
    That's different. One person's diet choices for themselves do not make other people unhealthy.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    But now we're back to the health care debate.

    It ends up being your problem anyway.
    No, my problem is the government being involved in health care at all. And one of the reasons why it's a problem is THIS very reason we're discussing. If the government has a vested financial interest in our health, then they are going to continue legislating and mandating our eating and exercise habits. I will not ever, EVER condone that kind of invasion of privacy. It needs to stop now before it continues further.

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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    No, my problem is the government being involved in health care at all.
    Yes, that's your problem too.

    Like it or not, the health of others will be your problem sometimes. The only question is the cheapest, easiest way to deal with that problem.

    And one of the reasons why it's a problem is THIS very reason we're discussing. If the government has a vested financial interest in our health, then they are going to continue legislating and mandating our eating and exercise habits. I will not ever, EVER condone that kind of invasion of privacy. It needs to stop now before it continues further.
    It's an invasion of privacy for the government to regulate the use of potentially harmful substances in your food?

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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    What system? The system of personal freedom, choice, and liberty?
    I was referring more to our dietary system.

    No one has any right to say that someone else is making the 'wrong choice' for themselves. It is THEIR BODY. Who the hell are you, or anyone else, to step in and say, "You're making wrong choices, so from now on I'm going to make them for you?"
    Happens all the time in the name of public safety. People do make the wrong choices and most of them are aware of it. Very few people want to be overweight.

    That's different. One person's diet choices for themselves do not make other people unhealthy.
    When obesity become the standard, what little motivation people have to be healthy fades. There are some people that want to be healthy for healthy's sake. Many, many more people maintain a low weight because they want to be attractive. When 90% of American are overweight, what motivation is there?
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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yes, that's your problem too.

    Like it or not, the health of others will be your problem sometimes. The only question is the cheapest, easiest way to deal with that problem.



    It's an invasion of privacy for the government to regulate the use of potentially harmful substances in your food?
    It's only potentially harmful if I eat it in large amounts. That requires making conscious choices to do so. That requires eating more than one singular product.

    No ONE serving of any ONE product is going to put me over the edge sodium-wise.

    They regulate that the ingredients and nutritional values must be on the label. That is all they need to do.

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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I was referring more to our dietary system.
    Which is a system wherein the people choose for themselves what they will eat, when, and how much.

    Happens all the time in the name of public safety. People do make the wrong choices and most of them are aware of it. Very few people want to be overweight.
    Yes, people do make wrong choices. And they should be perfectly free to do so.

    When obesity become the standard, what little motivation people have to be healthy fades. There are some people that want to be healthy for healthy's sake. Many, many more people maintain a low weight because they want to be attractive. When 90% of American are overweight, what motivation is there?
    Motivation for what? Everyone has their own motivations for anything they do. I don't care who is overweight or why or what their motivations are. I only care that our country maintains their freedom to do so.

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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Which is a system wherein the people choose for themselves what they will eat, when, and how much.

    Yes, people do make wrong choices. And they should be perfectly free to do so.
    And indeed they still can. However, the government has the ability to control the amount of chemicals in a manufactured food intended for consumption. They limit a vast number of chemicals that are toxic in high amounts. Just like salt.

    You however, are free to add as much salt, arsenic, or ammonia to your food as you'd like.

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Motivation for what? Everyone has their own motivations for anything they do. I don't care who is overweight or why or what their motivations are. I only care that our country maintains their freedom to do so.
    So if 90% of America was overweight you wouldn't begin to think this freedom to be fat might not be the right path to follow?
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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    And indeed they still can. However, the government has the ability to control the amount of chemicals in a manufactured food intended for consumption. They limit a vast number of chemicals that are toxic in high amounts. Just like salt.

    You however, are free to add as much salt, arsenic, or ammonia to your food as you'd like.
    It's not their job to try and save me from myself. I don't like the ever widening door this pushes open

    So if 90% of America was overweight you wouldn't begin to think this freedom to be fat might not be the right path to follow?
    No, why would I? Their bodies, their health, their choice. I care very little about what choices people make for their own health, good or bad.

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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    It's not their job to try and save me from myself. I don't like the ever widening door this pushes open.
    But you're okay with them limiting other chemicals that are toxic in high amounts?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    No, why would I? Their bodies, their health, their choice. I care very little about what choices people make for their own health, good or bad.
    Because at some point we have to take a look around and realize our current philosophy isn't working. If 95% of people are living in poverty in a socialist country, I would feel comfortable saying that system isn't working. Likewise, we are fast approaching the point where I wonder if allowing corporations to play on people's deep rooted desire for salt, fat, and sugar is in our best interest as society as a whole.
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    Re: Should the Federal Government push food processors into lowering salt content?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aurora151989 View Post
    no, I just think food companies already put waaay too much salt in pre-prepared foods, I'd like if they lowered the sodium content on their own, but if not, then perhaps they should be forced to.

    I'm also one of those people who hates high fructose corn syrup
    If you want to reduce the use of high fructose corn syrup then tell the government to LOWER the tariffs on imported cane sugar.
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