Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 22

Thread: Does placebo medicine really work?

  1. #11
    Sage
    lizzie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    between two worlds
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,581

    Re: Does placebo medicine really work?

    Sometimes. I read a study recently indicating that anti-depressants have a fairly strong placebo effect, and this may account for their failure to remain effective after 6-12 months or so of taking them.
    "God is the name by which I designate all things which cross my path violently and recklessly, all things which alter my plans and intentions, and change the course of my life, for better or for worse."
    -C G Jung

  2. #12
    Sage
    lizzie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    between two worlds
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,581

    Re: Does placebo medicine really work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I wonder how many "diseases" we've come up with which have pills as solutions that are merely psychosomatic. Things which just need talking out or thinking about, but not drugs. Real disease should not be so easily overcome with placebo. If placebo is becoming more effective, it just means that we are inventing new "diseases" which really aren't diseases as much as they are an excuse for the drug companies to sell you a pill.
    We live in a culture now that encourages slapping a bandaid on a problem and taking away the symptoms rather than fixing the cause or root of the problem.
    "God is the name by which I designate all things which cross my path violently and recklessly, all things which alter my plans and intentions, and change the course of my life, for better or for worse."
    -C G Jung

  3. #13
    Advisor PonyBoy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    USA
    Last Seen
    06-24-10 @ 10:50 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    587

    Re: Does placebo medicine really work?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    We live in a culture now that encourages slapping a bandaid on a problem and taking away the symptoms rather than fixing the cause or root of the problem.
    Because fixing is not as lucrative as treating.
    'In Hoc Signo Vinces'

  4. #14
    Sage
    lizzie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    between two worlds
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,581

    Re: Does placebo medicine really work?

    Quote Originally Posted by PonyBoy View Post
    Because fixing is not as lucrative as treating.
    You probably have a point, but I think it's more that the individual with the "problem" wants a quick fix and doesn't really want to change anything about his lifestyle, his attitude, or his actions.
    "God is the name by which I designate all things which cross my path violently and recklessly, all things which alter my plans and intentions, and change the course of my life, for better or for worse."
    -C G Jung

  5. #15
    Advisor PonyBoy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    USA
    Last Seen
    06-24-10 @ 10:50 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    587

    Re: Does placebo medicine really work?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    You probably have a point, but I think it's more that the individual with the "problem" wants a quick fix and doesn't really want to change anything about his lifestyle, his attitude, or his actions.
    Yes exactly. Nobody is forcing people to the doctors office, it's their own choice. I think it's 50/50.
    'In Hoc Signo Vinces'

  6. #16
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Canada
    Last Seen
    12-26-10 @ 06:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    8,083

    Re: Does placebo medicine really work?

    If the placebo effect weren't real, they wouldn't do double blind studies in the first place. I wish I could find the link of a paper that I read over a year ago, by three med students in Australia who did a study on symptom management versus curative rates. They found that even if patients were given medications meant to simply ease symptoms, that some would spontaneously recover from the root illness.

    It had to do with the demeanor of the doctor writing the prescription. If the doctor was giving them the impression that the drug would significantly improve their situation, the patient was more likely to benefit. Stress is the number one killer in modern society. I think any therapeutic/healing experience that eases a patient's mind will be half the battle, even if the practitioner is misdiagnosing them or using the wrong treatment.

    I think proper treatment combined with mental affirmation will go a long way towards cures.

  7. #17
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    02-10-12 @ 03:36 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    845

    Re: Does placebo medicine really work?

    There's still craptons of research needed in the field of mind-body interaction. I think the placebo effect is just a tantalizing hint of what is possible.

  8. #18
    Advisor LiveUninhibited's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Seen
    05-11-10 @ 03:41 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    549

    Re: Does placebo medicine really work?

    Yes placebos work, not pharmacologically but because what people believe is real is real in its consequences, drawing upon your body's natural abilities. Arch Enemy's article did a good job of explaining it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    It is actually becoming too effective:

    If you are interested in this discussion, Placebos Are Getting More Effective. Drugmakers Are Desperate to Know Why.
    I am not sure why anybody is surprised that the placebo effect can vary by population as it certainly varies by individual with inputs beyond mere biology - cultural attitudes will affect how they view a medicine or medicines in general. One thing that did surprise me from the article was that Prozac was more effective in Europe than here. I would expect the placebo response to be more pronounced in America due to the fact that we're one of the only countries with direct-to-consumer ads. I guess the explanation could be the fact that Americans are bombarded with some variation of, "if your antidepressant isn't enough, try this new drug that we still have a patent for," lowering Americans' expectations regarding older antidepressants.

    Quote Originally Posted by article linked by Arch Enemy
    Today, to win FDA approval, a new medication must beat placebo in at least two authenticated trials.
    Amazing there isn't more innovation from Pharma . Shouldn't they have to show improvement over existing rx?
    Last edited by LiveUninhibited; 04-20-10 at 04:25 AM.

  9. #19
    Tavern Bartender
    Constitutionalist
    American's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:49 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    76,323

    Re: Does placebo medicine really work?

    Where's the poll?
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

  10. #20
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    virginia
    Last Seen
    04-01-13 @ 03:46 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Private
    Posts
    16,881
    Blog Entries
    19

    Re: Does placebo medicine really work?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Where's the poll?
    hERE i AM.

Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •