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    Re: Constellation or Climate Research?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    If you know the rail line has been shut down for the last year, and your senile old mother in law is the one that hears the train, probably the best thing to do is find out why your car is stalled, or call a tow truck.
    Yes, let's call a tow truck, by all means. Meanwhile, we can stay in the car and plug our ears.
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    Re: Constellation or Climate Research?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, let's call a tow truck, by all means. Meanwhile, we can stay in the car and plug our ears.
    That's what I do when my senile old mother in law is flapping her gums.

    Now, back to the subject..... Constellation or Climate Research?
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    Re: Constellation or Climate Research?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, let's call a tow truck, by all means. Meanwhile, we can stay in the car and plug our ears.
    The problem with your analogy is that it assumes that the rational, default position is that AGW is definitely real and probably a looming global castastrophe that threatens all life.

    In other words, you're assuming that those who don't agree with you are ignorant, willfully or unwittingly, or too lacking in perception to understand what's going on.

    Contrariwise, there are those, like me, who have studied the matter and found AGW-as-catastrophe highly questionable and certainly nothing to panic over.

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    Re: Constellation or Climate Research?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The problem with your analogy is that it assumes that the rational, default position is that AGW is definitely real and probably a looming global castastrophe that threatens all life.

    In other words, you're assuming that those who don't agree with you are ignorant, willfully or unwittingly, or too lacking in perception to understand what's going on.

    Contrariwise, there are those, like me, who have studied the matter and found AGW-as-catastrophe highly questionable and certainly nothing to panic over.
    Not necessarily AGW. My analogy only depends on the fact that the train is coming, not that the passengers of the car put it there, nor that they can stop it.

    The Earth has warmed over the past hundred years. That is a fact, not an opinion. It hasn't warmed much, but it doesn't take much of a rise in average temperatures to make a difference.

    Saying that global warming isn't happening is much like sitting in the car and plugging your ears. If you want to argue that it isn't anthropogenic, go right ahead. I think you're wrong, but it really doesn't matter. The train is coming. Let's get out of the way. We're not going to stop it anyway.
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    Re: Constellation or Climate Research?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Not necessarily AGW. My analogy only depends on the fact that the train is coming, not that the passengers of the car put it there, nor that they can stop it.

    The Earth has warmed over the past hundred years. That is a fact, not an opinion. It hasn't warmed much,....

    ... The train is coming. Let's get out of the way. We're not going to stop it anyway.

    I bolded the salient points in your statement.

    Yes, the Earth has warmed, a little. It is established historical fact that the Earth warms and cools, and that there have been previous periods of warming more substantial than the current one. Conclusion: Don't panic.

    We can't stop it. Exactly. The Earth has warmed a bit. Maybe it will warm some more. Almost certainly, natural processes and cycles will curb this trend over time.... and you know, if it doesn't, there really isn't anything significant we can do about it. We are too puny to have a significant effect on the climate.

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    Re: Constellation or Climate Research?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    We can't stop it. Exactly. The Earth has warmed a bit. Maybe it will warm some more. Almost certainly, natural processes and cycles will curb this trend over time.... and you know, if it doesn't, there really isn't anything significant we can do about it. We are too puny to have a significant effect on the climate.
    We have pretty advanced technology at our disposal. I've heard of ways to temporarily cool the planet. Something about releasing a chemical high in our atmosphere. I'll see if I can find more information about it. But this is why we need to study climate change more...

    Edit: It sounds like it's sulfur they'd consider pumping into the atmosphere to cool down the planet, though this could have negative effects on the ozone layer.

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-9928831-54.html
    Last edited by Jucon; 04-17-10 at 03:24 AM.

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    Re: Constellation or Climate Research?

    Humans are already trashing the planet. The AGW debate is just a diversion from the factual realities of what we already know. Land, sea, and air are being toxified more and more each year to the detriment of human health.

    Knowledge of our own planet should come first, and space after that. Our oceans are just as foreign as the stars at this point. We know so little about them.

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    Re: Constellation or Climate Research?

    Kind of like poverty: take care of our own first. In this case the own is the Planet Earth.
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    Re: Constellation or Climate Research?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    We have pretty advanced technology at our disposal. I've heard of ways to temporarily cool the planet. Something about releasing a chemical high in our atmosphere. I'll see if I can find more information about it. But this is why we need to study climate change more...

    Edit: It sounds like it's sulfur they'd consider pumping into the atmosphere to cool down the planet, though this could have negative effects on the ozone layer.

    Geoengineered cooling of planet would have 'perilous effects' | Green Tech - CNET News
    Sulfur is rather toxic. I seriously don't think pumping large amounts of it into our upper atmo sounds like a good idea.

    Honestly, has anyone really thought about what kind of massive systems we're talking about, when we're talking about humans affecting climate change? (in either a positive or negative sense).

    The atmosphere has a mass of about five quintillion (5 × 1018 or 5,000,000,000,000,000,000) kg, three quarters of which is within about 11 km (6.8 mi; 36,000 ft) of the surface.
    Atmosphere of Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Best I can figure, that's about five thousand TRILLION tons.

    The total mass of humanity:
    7 billion humans at 70kg each = 490 billion kg. That's 490 million tons, or 0.000000098 of the mass of the atmosphere.

    If we assume that each human comes along with a ton of mass of industrial product (share of housing, transporation, manufacturing, etc...bearing in mind that much of the world doesn't own much, so one ton is probably about avg), that's another 7 billion tons... or 0.0000014, for a whopping total of all humanity and all humanity's works equalling 0.000001498 of the mass of the atmosphere.

    Okay this is just an estimate, but I'll bet it is within an order of magnitude of being correct. WE ARE TINY compared to the Earth.

    For all of humanity's combined works to equal 1% of the mass of the atmosphere, we'd have to expand our production capacity about 10,000 fold...yes that's ten thousand fold.

    We aren't even dust in the wind.

    This is the main reason I am skeptical of AGW.

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    Re: Constellation or Climate Research?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It really doesn't matter whether global warming is man caused or not.
    It doesn't matter!? You can't be serious with this! Good lord...

    It is abundantly clear that it is real. What is not clear is that we can actually stop it. Most likely, we can not.
    One degree in a hundred years, and you're crapping your pants. People really HAVE lost their minds.

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