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    Re: Should the government monitor emails without a warrant?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I am one of the so-called anti-gun Liberals.
    eMail opens up a new Pandora's box.....I choose " I do not know."
    Lets forget about guns, rifles, and 1791.
    The year is 2010, and apparently we have problems.
    Anything can be used as a weapon, guns(naturally), water(boarding), and eMail.
    So as usual, man is misbehaving and this brings on more rules and regulations - to the dismay of Libertarians and tea-baggers...
    I think our government should be able to monitor "public mail" when crime suspicions exist..
    But, there must be oversight.
    Warrant = oversight.

    Problem solved.

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    Re: Should the government monitor emails without a warrant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I am -sure- that all of the anti-gun liberals that believe the 2nd amednment doesn't cover assault rifles becase there was no such thing back in 1791 will be quick to choose YES.

    I have list, and will compare...
    Who told you that? All these pre-conceived notions do nothing but advance your misguided mistrust of the other side. Frankly you're doing yourself a disservice by backing yourself into a corner. Can't we all just get along?

    For the record I am against average citizens owning assault rifles, but am also against the Patriot Act and tracking Emails.

    You're keeping a list? Forget the NSA... what's your deal? Looks like your comparison will be quick... no one's voted "yes" yet.

    You better add me to this "anti-gun" list of yours.
    Last edited by Jucon; 04-17-10 at 03:09 AM.

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    Re: Should the government monitor emails without a warrant?

    Hell No! I am starting to think it is sad that we even have this kind of question or issue in this country
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    Re: Should the government monitor emails without a warrant?

    E-mail accounts are property of the provider, and those providers can technically read your e-mails without your permission because the contents are on their servers. So to me this has more to do with the rights of the providers to not be searched.

    Why is your government so hell bent on getting the go-ahead to do so many things without a warrant?

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    Re: Should the government monitor emails without a warrant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    Who told you that? All these pre-conceived notions do nothing but advance your misguided mistrust of the other side. Frankly you're doing yourself a disservice by backing yourself into a corner. Can't we all just get along?

    For the record I am against average citizens owning assault rifles, but am also against the Patriot Act and tracking Emails.

    You're keeping a list? Forget the NSA... what's your deal? Looks like your comparison will be quick... no one's voted "yes" yet.

    You better add me to this "anti-gun" list of yours.
    Usually anti 2nd amendment loons like to use the "they didn't have those in 1776" as a reason for infringing on 2nd amendment rights.So surely they would apply that logic to other rights as well.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should the government monitor emails without a warrant?


    No. Privacy should not be infringed upon without just cause.





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    Re: Should the government monitor emails without a warrant?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Can anyone say Patriot Act?
    Care to point me out the specific provision giving authorization for wanton warrantless email monitoring in the PATRIOT Act?

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    Re: Should the government monitor emails without a warrant?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Usually anti 2nd amendment loons like to use the "they didn't have those in 1776" as a reason for infringing on 2nd amendment rights.So surely they would apply that logic to other rights as well.
    And pro-gun loons like to use the "guns are guns and they are all covered by the 2nd amendment" as a reason to justify owning any and every type of weapon. So surely they would love for non-convicted gang members, drug dealers and unstable people to be able to own AK-47s and gatling guns.

    See what I'm doing? I'm supposing a group's ideals to blindly label them. Does that make what I said right? No

    Again I say, how about we trying understanding the other sides (and individuals from said sides) before labeling them?

    I'm sure the Tea Partiers get pretty pissed when non-conservative news outlets label them as crazies and uneducated... what gives you the right to label liberals? Just because we have the right to free speech doesn't mean what we say is always true.

    Keep that in mind when watching Fox News and MSNBC, arguably the most right and left news outlets. In fact, keep that in mind when getting any type of news.
    Last edited by Jucon; 04-17-10 at 02:13 PM.

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    Re: Should the government monitor emails without a warrant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Care to point me out the specific provision giving authorization for wanton warrantless email monitoring in the PATRIOT Act?
    Watch the documentary I posted in this thread.

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    Re: Should the government monitor emails without a warrant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    And pro-gun loons like to use the "guns are guns and they are all covered by the 2nd amendment" as a reason to justify owning any and every type of weapon.

    If you understood why the 2nd amendment was written you would not be one of those anti-2nd amendment loons who thinks the 2nd amendment should be infringed. Unless you are just totally naive and fully trust the government.


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    So surely they would love for non-convicted gang members, drug dealers and unstable people to be able to own AK-47s and gatling guns.
    Don't they already have their hands on those kinds of weapons? Besides if they were easily and legally able to get their hands on those kinds of weapons so would everyone else. SO gangbaging scum(gang banging and scum,yeah I know its two synonymous words together) thrive where the general population can not adequately defend itself.

    See what I'm doing? I'm supposing a group's ideals to blindly label them. Does that make what I said right?
    Again I say, how about we trying understanding the other sides (and individuals from said sides) before labeling them?

    Actually your attempt failed because I do think that civilians should be be able to get their hands on what ever law enforcement and the military can get their hands on. Seeing how one of the reasons the founding forefathers wrote the 2nd amendment is so that the people have the means to overthrow a tyrannical government by force.



    The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.

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    I'm sure the Tea Partiers get pretty pissed when non-conservative news outlets label them as crazies and uneducated.
    I am not a tea party protester or member.

    What gives you the right to label liberals?
    1st amendment. The same right liberals have.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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