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Thread: Self Defense v. Animal Cruelty

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    Self Defense v. Animal Cruelty

    Do you think there should be exceptions - if there aren't already - in animal cruelty laws for what could be considered self defense?

    For example, if you are in some public place that is frequented by Canada geese and somebody there finds himself being chased/pecked at/etc by one, despite knowing he isn't anywhere near a nest, and decides to kick the goose (injuring it or inadvertently killing it) and escaping (as in not sticking around to kick, stomp, or further deface the body of the goose) to get help. Would that be considered self defense to you?

    At the college I go to, we have a huge goose problem - Canada geese that didn't migrate this year. They are everywhere - literally hundreds of them eating, honking, and sh*tting. Now mating season has come, and they are getting aggressive. I mapped out where the nests are - aside from one or two right now, I know most of them are on roofs away from the public.

    Even still, issues arise - one guy was cut up pretty badly a few weeks ago by an aggressive goose, and I've had geese following me, hissing and honking madly in front of buildings where the nests were on the roof, not at ground level, and it is such where I am beginning to consider the circumstances of being cornered, or in any other situation where force is necessary to get out of it, what to do, consequences, etc, and am confused / unsure about it all, especially seeing videos of goose attacks online.
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    Re: Self Defense v. Animal Cruelty

    I'd be worried of having that exception because it would be used to death by defense lawyers...I'd expect animal cruelty cases to be completely dependent on whether there was danger to the person who allegedly committed animal cruelty.

    But I think the exception is still a valid one. If an animal dies by your hand because it attacked you, and didn't stop attacking you, its not cruelty, its defense.

    If you hit an animal, and it starts to attack you in its own defense, and you end up killing/beating it, thats on you.
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    Re: Self Defense v. Animal Cruelty

    Is it really cruelty if it self defense?Thats calling it burglar cruelty when a homeowner shoots a burglar or rapist cruelty if someone stops the rapist. What if someone tries to shoot you and you shoot them first is it potential murderer cruelty?
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    Re: Self Defense v. Animal Cruelty

    It depends. If it is really self defense.

    Recently there was a case here in Los Angeles where a guy tried to argue he killed a 6 month old german shepherd in self defense...
    It was a completely bogus case.

    If it is a legimitmate case I support it...but where it is bull ****.....I'm going to call it out every time.
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    Re: Self Defense v. Animal Cruelty

    I could see self defence overridding animal cruelty in some cases but I believe it should only be considered in cases when serious bodily harm or death may result. Geese are not likely to cause either, believe me I know. I grew up on a farm and as a small child was constanly getting my ass whooped by a wide assortment of animals including geese, turkeys, roosters, goats, others. These only resulted in a few cuts and bruises and would consider striking (or more) them as abuse.

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    Re: Self Defense v. Animal Cruelty

    The purpose of animal cruelty laws has never been to forbid people from fending off attacks. Cruelty is something completely different.
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    Re: Self Defense v. Animal Cruelty

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    Re: Self Defense v. Animal Cruelty

    Quote Originally Posted by Regicollis View Post
    The purpose of animal cruelty laws has never been to forbid people from fending off attacks. Cruelty is something completely different.
    Just ask the rabid groups like PeTA, who have managed to sway things to their distorted reasoning before.
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    Re: Self Defense v. Animal Cruelty

    My roommate has a friend whose pet wallaby was torn to pieces this morning by a pack of neighborhood dogs. Do I think it's animal cruelty for him to hunt those dogs down and put them out of everyone's misery? No.






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