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    Re: Self Defense v. Animal Cruelty

    I think we should all have a moment of silience for the 1000s of victims of geese
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    Re: Self Defense v. Animal Cruelty

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    Do you think there should be exceptions - if there aren't already - in animal cruelty laws for what could be considered self defense?

    For example, if you are in some public place that is frequented by Canada geese and somebody there finds himself being chased/pecked at/etc by one, despite knowing he isn't anywhere near a nest, and decides to kick the goose (injuring it or inadvertently killing it) and escaping (as in not sticking around to kick, stomp, or further deface the body of the goose) to get help. Would that be considered self defense to you?

    At the college I go to, we have a huge goose problem - Canada geese that didn't migrate this year. They are everywhere - literally hundreds of them eating, honking, and sh*tting. Now mating season has come, and they are getting aggressive. I mapped out where the nests are - aside from one or two right now, I know most of them are on roofs away from the public.

    Even still, issues arise - one guy was cut up pretty badly a few weeks ago by an aggressive goose, and I've had geese following me, hissing and honking madly in front of buildings where the nests were on the roof, not at ground level, and it is such where I am beginning to consider the circumstances of being cornered, or in any other situation where force is necessary to get out of it, what to do, consequences, etc, and am confused / unsure about it all, especially seeing videos of goose attacks online.

    Frack the damn geese. If it acts like its going to attack, kick the **** out of it and remind it who the dominant species is.

    Animal abuse, pah. I totally don't get this. Anything or anyone that attacks you is subject to an ass-whuppin'.

    Are Canadian geese suddenly on the endangered species list or something? Doubt it.
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    Re: Self Defense v. Animal Cruelty

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Frack the damn geese. If it acts like its going to attack, kick the **** out of it and remind it who the dominant species is.

    Animal abuse, pah. I totally don't get this. Anything or anyone that attacks you is subject to an ass-whuppin'.
    Are Canadian geese suddenly on the endangered species list or something? Doubt it.
    That is the point of this, should that be an acceptable defense? It should, but we shuold also expect to see nearly every animal cruelty case be based upon self-defense or not.
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    Re: Self Defense v. Animal Cruelty

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    Do you think there should be exceptions - if there aren't already - in animal cruelty laws for what could be considered self defense?

    For example, if you are in some public place that is frequented by Canada geese and somebody there finds himself being chased/pecked at/etc by one, despite knowing he isn't anywhere near a nest, and decides to kick the goose (injuring it or inadvertently killing it) and escaping (as in not sticking around to kick, stomp, or further deface the body of the goose) to get help. Would that be considered self defense to you?

    At the college I go to, we have a huge goose problem - Canada geese that didn't migrate this year. They are everywhere - literally hundreds of them eating, honking, and sh*tting. Now mating season has come, and they are getting aggressive. I mapped out where the nests are - aside from one or two right now, I know most of them are on roofs away from the public.

    Even still, issues arise - one guy was cut up pretty badly a few weeks ago by an aggressive goose, and I've had geese following me, hissing and honking madly in front of buildings where the nests were on the roof, not at ground level, and it is such where I am beginning to consider the circumstances of being cornered, or in any other situation where force is necessary to get out of it, what to do, consequences, etc, and am confused / unsure about it all, especially seeing videos of goose attacks online.
    I happen to hate those f'n geese. They're constantly here in CO too and they're rude, obnoxious jerks who don't know their place. They crap all over the place, stand defiantly when you want to pass, will often act aggressively against humans. Personally, I'd rather see them all shot and leave their carcasses for the foxes. Piece of **** birds!
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    Re: Self Defense v. Animal Cruelty

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    That is the point of this, should that be an acceptable defense? It should, but we shuold also expect to see nearly every animal cruelty case be based upon self-defense or not.
    Taking your boot and giving a goose a decent aerial boost need not be fatal or inflict serious injury, and tends to adjust the goose's attitude. How this could be animal cruelty if the stupid thing was acting aggressive is beyond me.

    Now if some moron starts catching the the things, breaking their beaks and then releasing them (like some vile cretin did here a few years back), that is clearly animal cruelty.

    The thing about cruelty is that it is causing needless and excessive suffering. Giving a fiesty goose the boot isn't needless nor excessive.

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    Re: Self Defense v. Animal Cruelty

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Taking your boot and giving a goose a decent aerial boost need not be fatal or inflict serious injury, and tends to adjust the goose's attitude. How this could be animal cruelty if the stupid thing was acting aggressive is beyond me.

    Now if some moron starts catching the the things, breaking their beaks and then releasing them (like some vile cretin did here a few years back), that is clearly animal cruelty.

    The thing about cruelty is that it is causing needless and excessive suffering. Giving a fiesty goose the boot isn't needless nor excessive.
    ....what if we just shoot them dead? No suffering or anything like that, clean and easy. Is it animal abuse?
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    Re: Self Defense v. Animal Cruelty

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    ....what if we just shoot them dead? No suffering or anything like that, clean and easy. Is it animal abuse?
    I'm not overly fond of the buggers myself, unless they've been cooked.


    I tend to shoot a few of them every year or two and make Pineapple Sweet-and-Sour goose out of them.

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    Re: Self Defense v. Animal Cruelty

    Nah. Just let birds peck ya to death
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    Re: Self Defense v. Animal Cruelty

    Quote Originally Posted by hiswoman View Post
    My roommate has a friend whose pet wallaby was torn to pieces this morning by a pack of neighborhood dogs. Do I think it's animal cruelty for him to hunt those dogs down and put them out of everyone's misery? No.


    The problem is not the dogs, its their pack "leaders", the humans.
    They should never be allowed to own any animals, but should have all of "their" dogs taken away and likely, put under..
    Vigilantism is tempting and maybe the only answer if the state/local government is not willing to do anything. And its these low-life dog owners who make things bad, and expensive for responsible animals owners.

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    Re: Self Defense v. Animal Cruelty

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    ....what if we just shoot them dead? No suffering or anything like that, clean and easy. Is it animal abuse?
    Of course not, there are places where there are too many animals, and the heads/flocks must be culled; its our responsibility.
    Peta can go to hell.

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