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    Re: Justice or mercy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I personally like a little paprika on my justice, but to each their own.




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    Re: Justice or mercy?

    There is no mercy without blind justice that is doled out consistently and equitably.

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    Re: Justice or mercy?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    There is no mercy without blind justice that is doled out consistently and equitably.
    How did this thread get so far without anybody defining the terms?

    jus·tice [juhs-tis] –noun
    1.the quality of being just; righteousness, equitableness, or moral rightness: to uphold the justice of a cause.
    2.rightfulness or lawfulness, as of a claim or title; justness of ground or reason: to complain with justice.
    3.the moral principle determining just conduct.
    4.conformity to this principle, as manifested in conduct; just conduct, dealing, or treatment.
    5.the administering of deserved punishment or reward.
    6.the maintenance or administration of what is just by law, as by judicial or other proceedings: a court of justice.
    7.judgment of persons or causes by judicial process: to administer justice in a community.
    8.a judicial officer; a judge or magistrate.
    9.(initial capital letter) Also called Justice Department. the Department of Justice.
    —Idioms
    10.bring to justice, to cause to come before a court for trial or to receive punishment for one's misdeeds: The murderer was brought to justice.
    11.do justice,
    a.to act or treat justly or fairly.
    b.to appreciate properly: We must see this play again to do it justice.
    c.to acquit in accordance with one's abilities or potentialities: He finally got a role in which he could do himself justice as an actor.
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    mer·cy [mur-see]–noun,plural-cies for 4, 5.
    1.compassionate or kindly forbearance shown toward an offender, an enemy, or other person in one's power; compassion, pity, or benevolence: Have mercy on the poor sinner.
    2.the disposition to be compassionate or forbearing: an adversary wholly without mercy.
    3.the discretionary power of a judge to pardon someone or to mitigate punishment, esp. to send to prison rather than invoke the death penalty.
    4.an act of kindness, compassion, or favor: She has performed countless small mercies for her friends and neighbors.
    5.something that gives evidence of divine favor; blessing: It was just a mercy we had our seat belts on when it happened.
    —Idiom
    6.at the mercy of, entirely in the power of; subject to: They were at the mercy of their captors. Also, at one's mercy.
    Mercy | Define Mercy at Dictionary.com

    Where they overlap, justice has to do with somebody getting exactly what they deserve, and mercy has to do with an offender being treated more leniently/kindly than they deserve. And as such the terms are actually mutually exclusive on a per case basis. I don't really care whether people get what they deserve or not, I just want to minimize suffering. Sometimes that necessitates a harsher approach, and sometimes a more lenient approach.

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    Re: Justice or mercy?

    Justice encompasses mercy, so justice is the only logical choice.
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    Re: Justice or mercy?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Justice encompasses mercy, so justice is the only logical choice.
    I really don't see how. Justice is somebody getting what they deserve, and mercy is where they get better than they deserve. What is your definition?

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    Re: Justice or mercy?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    I really don't see how. Justice is somebody getting what they deserve, and mercy is where they get better than they deserve. What is your definition?
    From my trusty Mac Dictionary:

    Mercy: 'compassion or forgiveness shown toward someone whom it is within one's power to punish or harm'

    An example of mercy in a legal context would be when a judge reduces a sentence because the accused has pleaded guilty and subsequently shown remorse.

    Can such a thing fall within the incorporeal entity that is 'justice'? Yes. To use your own definition, (getting what one deserves), surely a criminal who is truly remorseful deserves less punishment than one who is unrepentant?

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    Re: Justice or mercy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    From my trusty Mac Dictionary:

    Mercy: 'compassion or forgiveness shown toward someone whom it is within one's power to punish or harm'

    An example of mercy in a legal context would be when a judge reduces a sentence because the accused has pleaded guilty and subsequently shown remorse.

    Can such a thing fall within the incorporeal entity that is 'justice'? Yes. To use your own definition, (getting what one deserves), surely a criminal who is truly remorseful deserves less punishment than one who is unrepentant?
    Good point. Though to me it would be more a matter of a repentant person being less likely to recidivate.

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    Re: Justice or mercy?

    Justice in all things. You do the crime, you do the time.
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    Re: Justice or mercy?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Honestly, it would depend on the crime in situation. Justice should be given to a serial killer. Mercy should be shown to someone who accidentally killed another.
    Accidentally killing another would not be a crime. So there would be no nee to show mercy.
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    Re: Justice or mercy?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    There is no mercy without blind justice that is doled out consistently and equitably.
    "Justice" is never blind. You cannot simply treat every crime the same. It depends on the circumstances of the crime and also of the person.

    I don't know what you mean, Jall...but most people when they talk about "blind justice" or "Truth in sentencing"...they want mandatory sentences without taking anything else into consideration.

    Should a first time drug seller be treated the same as someone who has 10 priors?
    Should some who shoplifts food because they are hungry, be treated the same as someone who shoplifts a pair of Diesel jeans because they don't want to pay for them?
    Should someone who kills in the "heat of passion" e.g., walking in on their wife with another man, be treated the same as a person who abducts a child and kills them because they are a socio-path?
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