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Thread: America's Superpower "Burden"

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    Re: America's Superpower "Burden"

    America needs to quit chasing dreams of imperialism and focus on things at home. You have to defend your country, but it shouldn't go further than that. Don't put yourself in the middle of other countries affairs, stop trying to defend other people's country, get out of the United Nations. Currently we have troops stationed all around the world - mostly in countries that are not even at war with us. This needs to stop.
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    Re: America's Superpower "Burden"

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom View Post
    America needs to quit chasing dreams of imperialism...
    If America had ever chased those dreams, the world would be a very, very different place.

    You have to defend your country, but it shouldn't go further than that.
    To do that, you have to have the capability to effectively project force outside your country.

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    Re: America's Superpower "Burden"

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    If America had ever chased those dreams, the world would be a very, very different place.
    Yea, I'm sure it would be if you survive the nuclear attacks other countries will send your way to fight off the invasion.

    To do that, you have to have the capability to effectively project force outside your country.
    Ever heard of these?

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    Re: America's Superpower "Burden"

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom View Post
    Yea, I'm sure it would be if you survive the nuclear attacks other countries will send your way to fight off the invasion.
    I said:

    If America had ever chased those dreams...

    As in like at any point in her history where she was in a position to do so.
    Most of that time was in the pre-nuclear age.

    Ever heard of these?
    Yes, I have. What about them?

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    Re: America's Superpower "Burden"

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes, I have. What about them?
    Umm, they move troops from one place to another. Some planes are even much faster. Technology allows us to move our troops where they need to be so they do not have to be stationed in sovereign countries waiting for a war to happen.
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    Re: America's Superpower "Burden"

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom View Post
    Umm, they move troops from one place to another.
    Yes... and in that, they are logistical assets.
    So, they do not project force, they ferry supplies.
    They also do it in the least efficient manner available.

    Technology allows us to move our troops where they need to be so they do not have to be stationed in sovereign countries waiting for a war to happen.
    I have a great idea - why don't you calculate the the number of C17 lifts necessary to ferry 2 heavy armor brigades from Ft Hood TX to, say, Seoul SK, and how long it would take us to do it, from the initial movement order to the moment the units are in place and combat ready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    @Msgt: Are you in the Spec Ops community?

    Not exactly.

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    Re: America's Superpower "Burden"

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom View Post
    Umm, they move troops from one place to another. Some planes are even much faster. Technology allows us to move our troops where they need to be so they do not have to be stationed in sovereign countries waiting for a war to happen.
    This is highly impractical. Given the world situation, treating our military like a yo-yo won't work. We deployed and pulled back our troops from the Kuwaiti/Iraqi region for a decade over one man's games. Imagine all our thorns doing this crap just to parade around false power to their populations and neighbors.

    A fact of our history is that our security has always relied upon the health of foriegn regions. This means that we must have presence and fisted representation if only to nudge "good" behavior. Bases abroad go a long way to preventing the development of wars. Flying our troops across the ocean only when they are needed is too reactionary and would cost far more in treasure and blood. One must also have established plots of ground to land these planes. Quick reaction will always come from bases abroad before troops leave CONUS to re-enforce.

    Our greater role is prevention. They are not simply waiting for wars. In fact, President Clinton recognized his lack of experience and that of his office and expounded on the roles of the Regional Commanders (formerly known as CiNCs). Much of our high government contacts in foriegn "third world" countries since the end of the Cold War have been former soldiers and generals. Our Commanders have become ambassadors and diplomats for the White House.
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    Re: America's Superpower "Burden"

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Not exactly.
    Are you in the Men in Black? What is it, if you can't tell me for some NDA reason then just PM me.

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    Re: America's Superpower "Burden"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    Are you in the Men in Black? What is it, if you can't tell me for some NDA reason then just PM me.
    Nothing like that. I'm just a communicator. I started out as a Radioman. Along the way I've just been placed in certain intel positions.

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