View Poll Results: Should ALL citizens have to pay income taxes?

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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    Why does the government have a right to income that was already taxed
    Are you saying that I can tell the painter that painted my house that he doesn't have to pay taxes on the money I just gave him because I've already paid taxes on it when I earned it? I fail to see the difference between that and someone that has inherited a Swiss bank account. I have to report everything of value that someone gives me as income. Why do only the wealthy have an exemption for them? I suppose that's just another one of those benefits the wealthy get that they just can't seem to see.

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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    Double post AGAIN (server FAIL!)
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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you don't see a problem because you aren't one of those who are part of the group that the welfare socialists seek to soak.
    If you'd like to pay me over 200k a year to see if I'll pay taxes with no complaint, you're more than welcome to do so.

    You also, like many socialists or pseudo socialists-use the "obscene rich" to justify punitive and confiscatory tax rates on people making over 200K a year

    Lets suppose the government originally owned all property and everyone was given exactly the same thing-100 acres and a government supplied team of oxen. 30 years later some families were prosperous while other families were almost starving because one group worked hard and smart, the other did not

    should taxes be based on what you got from t he government or what you ended up making with it

    lets look at public education-1000 kids go to the same public school. should the kids who make A's be forced to share college scholarship offers with kids in the same class who are failing?
    You seem to miss the point of what I was originally saying: wealth is not attained alone and those who attain it do so with the help of society and that help must be repaid if society is to continue and that repayment comes, partially, in the form of taxes.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    By the way I am still wanting to know what I get for being in the top 1% in terms of getting more.
    See now I KNOW you didn't read what I wrote because I explained that in detail.

    Why does someone like Page, who can provide more value to more people than you or I have a duty to keep far less of his next dollar than you do.
    Im assuming this Page person is wealthy and as such has many more dollars than the most of us. Someone paying 30-40% of a million dollar income is not going to significantly effect their standard of living unless they are irresponsible with their money.

    and if you socialists truly believe the nonsense you say then why is 200,000 what you supporters of socialism call "rich"
    $200,000 was simply an arbitrary number meant to be far higher than the average yearly wage of MOST middle class and working poor individuals.
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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    If you'd like to pay me over 200k a year to see if I'll pay taxes with no complaint, you're more than welcome to do so.

    You seem to miss the point of what I was originally saying: wealth is not attained alone and those who attain it do so with the help of society and that help must be repaid if society is to continue and that repayment comes, partially, in the form of taxes.

    See now I KNOW you didn't read what I wrote because I explained that in detail.

    Im assuming this Page person is wealthy and as such has many more dollars than the most of us. Someone paying 30-40% of a million dollar income is not going to significantly effect their standard of living unless they are irresponsible with their money.

    $200,000 was simply an arbitrary number meant to be far higher than the average yearly wage of MOST middle class and working poor individuals.


    The claim that those who make more money had more help from "society" is complete and utter BS.

    That is like saying Tiger Woods or Roger Federer had more "help" from the PGA or ATP than did the guys in the middle of the PGA or ATP rankings.

    BTW Nothing psses me off more than people who don't make as much saying that those who do make say a million ought to pay 40% or more of their income because they can "afford it" and their lifestyle is still better than the parasites who want to jack up their taxes.


    That's more of that malignant "from each according to their ability" crap that is ruining this country.

    If you want the rich to have to pay far far more of the load than you, the rich should be given government sponsored privileges. My solution has always been more votes since someone who pays a million in taxes ought to have more say than someone living off of the public dole.



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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by jacksbrat View Post
    Are you saying that I can tell the painter that painted my house that he doesn't have to pay taxes on the money I just gave him because I've already paid taxes on it when I earned it? I fail to see the difference between that and someone that has inherited a Swiss bank account. I have to report everything of value that someone gives me as income. Why do only the wealthy have an exemption for them? I suppose that's just another one of those benefits the wealthy get that they just can't seem to see.
    Death should not be a taxable transaction and if it should be then it should be applied to everyone not just a small voting block that cannot outvote the envious and the parasitic



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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by jacksbrat View Post
    I disagree totally with this. Most wealth that is gained is at the expense of someone else. An "interpreneur" that figures out that he can make more money shutting down a factory in the US and have his product made in china is actually cheating the system. He wants to use cheap labor to make his product, but expects his customers to make US wages to afford to buy his product. Most wealthy people got that way by figuring out how to cheat the poor man.
    This is the classic leftwing claim-that if you win someone else has lost. Even if that is true, so what. But you lefties labour under the delusion that the pie can never be bigger and you do everything in your power to impose that belief on America



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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Uh...a sizable amount of estate tax liability has not been taxed. In fact, if your estate is primarily made up of appreciated property, that hasn't been taxed. The whole notion of trusts in estate planning is to remove appreciation from taxation upon death. Seriously, your tax planner is awful.



    Except that estate tax liability often hasn't been taxed in the first place.



    Uh...there are ways to get even the largest family asset down to zero in terms of estate liability.

    Seriously, get a better tax planner.

    Justifying confiscatory taxes on the grounds that those victimized by it should engage in expensive tax avoidance planning is like telling a rape victim she should wear a mumu and a chastity belt rather than a short dress and cute heels.



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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The claim that those who make more money had more help from "society" is complete and utter BS.

    That is like saying Tiger Woods or Roger Federer had more "help" from the PGA or ATP than did the guys in the middle of the PGA or ATP rankings.
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    No, you are confused. It would be like saying Tiger Woods gets (or got) 'help' from his sponsors. You can't compare the people in the middle of PGA rankings to middle income households.

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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    This explains it far better than I can
    Flat Tax Fiasco
    How about just taxing UNEARNED income at 50%? Taxing the idle rich rather than the hard-working seems much fairer to me.
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