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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Why is asking someone who has more to pay more a punishment? People keep repeating this but they wont explain it.
    So when a court fines you and takes away your money that's not punishment either?



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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    It punishes economic success.

    I didn't think that needed explaining ...
    Again, why is it PUNISHMENT?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    So when a court fines you and takes away your money that's not punishment either?
    That's a response to a crime and something levied on anyone who commits one.
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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Again, why is it PUNISHMENT?

    That's a response to a crime and something levied on anyone who commits one.
    If I have money taken from me it matters not if its by a criminal court or a criminal bunch of bureaucrats. The net is the same

    Are you playing dense or merely contrarian? what extra do I get for being a top 1% tax payer that you do not get?



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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Again, why is it PUNISHMENT?
    What do you call a negative, externally inflicted response to an action?

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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    What do you call a negative, externally inflicted response to an action?
    Uh the STIMULUS PLAN?



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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    Someone that says this:
    The fact is that the actions of interpreneurs, inventors, and yes even capitalists make the pie bigger for everyone.

    Would also say something like this:
    Its not MY responsibility to improve anyone's life, except mine, and only then if I choose to do so.

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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by jacksbrat View Post
    Someone that says this:
    The fact is that the actions of interpreneurs, inventors, and yes even capitalists make the pie bigger for everyone.

    Would also say something like this:
    Its not MY responsibility to improve anyone's life, except mine, and only then if I choose to do so.
    What the **** does that have to do with anything?

    Please, I beg you, say something coherent.

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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    What the **** does that have to do with anything?

    Please, I beg you, say something coherent.
    Ok, I'll try. Why do you believe that your so-called "slothful" are that way because they choose to be? And why do you believe that every so-called "industrious" is that way because of his ambishions? That's just simply not the way it works. Truth is, the son of a stock broker or company executive will have to work hard at being a failure to become one, while the son of a share cropper will have to work just as hard to become anything but another farm hand. The only way you can compare any two people's abilities is if they start at the same level. It doesn't happen that wat. It's so easy for someone born with a silver spoon to look down on others and say "why aren't you like me" when in reality, if you were born under the same conditions he was, you'd be just like him. You're taking credit for something you had no control over, and blaming others for something they had no control over. People that can be led to believe they deserve more because they were given more will also believe people that have less deserve less and do every thing they can to see that they get less.

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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    If I have money taken from me it matters not if its by a criminal court or a criminal bunch of bureaucrats. The net is the same

    Are you playing dense or merely contrarian? what extra do I get for being a top 1% tax payer that you do not get?
    Yes but the scenarios are different. With taxes, the money and wealth you have is partially a result of the society around you.

    No modern wealth or money is truly "self-created." That is a myth. Wealth in the modern world is derived from an individual or group of individuals using the existing mechanics of a society to their benefit. Without the society as a machine, wealth could not be produced. The greater amount of wealth someone has, the more extensively they have utilized their society to gain that wealth. Unless a person has ripped the raw materials needed to assemble that wealth from the ground with their own bare hands, there can be no such thing as a "self made man," forgetting for a moment that the very idea of "wealth" is one created, maintained, and cared for by the society a person lives in. It is the society itself that recognizes the value of what a rich person owns AS wealth and treats it accordingly.

    It's not only a question of what one has gained by being in the top 1%, but what one has used society to achieve. That use demands a repayment if a society set up to be utilized in this way is to survive. If individuals are constantly taking from a system with resources in it without replenishing what they take out, the system will die.

    The top 1% gain a significant amount by paying more. We have varying social attitudes about the "super rich" however it would be laughable to say we treat or value someone who makes $20,000 a year the same as we do someone who makes $2,000,000 a year. Our society has a much kinder view of the wealthy and treats them with far gentler hands in almost every aspect of it's operation. This can be ably demonstrated by the well-known maxim "Poor man's law, rich man's justice"; the fact that our legal system is slanted heavily in favor of the wealthy. Our political system is also a game for the wealthy; how many politicians do you know in the modern era who have to shop at the bargain bins? Our healthcare industry is also much more open to those with great amounts of money as they can afford comprehensive preventative care or new treatments that are often too expensive for your average 20k-er.

    Our social mentality about the rich is also quite generous; despite some leanings in the opposite direction, the majority of our society tends to think highly of someone with money and those with less money will often go to great lengths to emulate the super wealthy. Our popular culture and entertainment glamorizes the lifestyle of obscene wealth and there are ways for even the poor to "try on" the high life if only for a while.

    THAT is why I dont see a problem with taxing the wealthy at a higher rate than those who have less money.
    Last edited by Hoplite; 04-17-10 at 04:09 AM.
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    Re: Should ALL citizens pay income taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by jacksbrat View Post
    Someone that says this:
    The fact is that the actions of interpreneurs, inventors, and yes even capitalists make the pie bigger for everyone.

    Would also say something like this:
    Its not MY responsibility to improve anyone's life, except mine, and only then if I choose to do so.
    Both statements drip with veracity. Those who pursue wealth normally bring wealth to others. Its like a man who plants a bountiful field of corn-not only does he gain more wealth, so do those who benefit from lower corn prices and the parasites like the field mice who eat the corn and give the farmer nothing in return



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